Or here - http://vote.sos.state.oh.us/pls/enrpublic/f?p=130:MYRESULTS:0thePITman;964132 wrote:Where can we find the results?
dittosleeper;964190 wrote:Looks like SB5 is going to be repealed. What a joke, welcome the pink slips! I personally hope they lay off 100,000+ teachers, firefighters, and policeman for being massively ignorant and selfish.
That's the spirit.sleeper;964190 wrote:I personally hope they lay off 100,000+ teachers, firefighters, and policeman for being massively ignorant and selfish.
This.sleeper;964190 wrote:Looks like SB5 is going to be repealed. What a joke, welcome the pink slips! I personally hope they lay off 100,000+ teachers, firefighters, and policeman for being massively ignorant and selfish.
sleeper;964190 wrote:Looks like SB5 is going to be repealed. What a joke, welcome the pink slips! I personally hope they lay off 100,000+ teachers, firefighters, and policeman for being massively ignorant and selfish.
you think layoffs wouldnt happen if SB5 passed? ha, thats funny. they were/are going to happen either way.sleeper;964190 wrote:Looks like SB5 is going to be repealed. What a joke, welcome the pink slips! I personally hope they lay off 100,000+ teachers, firefighters, and policeman for being massively ignorant and selfish.
No bill is ever perfect. It was still the right thing to do.imex99;964226 wrote:Are u always such an ass? They went all about this the wrong way....
My state agency already pays what sb5 asked for!
They need to get everyone on the same playing field but not destroying collective bargaining. They went for the entire kit and kaboodle and not how they should of went about it. They rushed the whole bill instead of working with all the parties and getting things done.
Working would have got results and not throwing rushed and bullying legislation that didn't work down our throat.
Things need to change but not the way they tried...
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Good.Glory Days;964319 wrote:you think layoffs wouldnt happen if SB5 passed? ha, thats funny. they were/are going to happen either way.
Destroying collective bargaining? Don't believe so. They removed portions to even the playing field. The right to bargain for wages, hours, and working conditions would've still been there, giving public employees and big bargaining chip.imex99;964226 wrote:Are u always such an ass? They went all about this the wrong way....
My state agency already pays what sb5 asked for!
They need to get everyone on the same playing field but not destroying collective bargaining. They went for the entire kit and kaboodle and not how they should of went about it. They rushed the whole bill instead of working with all the parties and getting things done.
Working would have got results and not throwing rushed and bullying legislation that didn't work down our throat.
Things need to change but not the way they tried...
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No it wasn't. If it's not perfect, why the fuck would you vote for it? You wait until something that is both fair and practical to come to the table.sleeper;964322 wrote:No bill is ever perfect. It was still the right thing to do.
i figured it would be more like yes on 2 and no levies with the whole "i am not giving any more of my hard earned money to the gub'ment" attitude.majorspark;964376 wrote:I believe some people who voted yes on issue 2 voted down their local levies because polls were indicating issue 2 would fail. I am speaking anecdotally so take it for what it is. I voted yes on Issue 2 and yes on local tax levies.
I am much more willing to give my tax dollars to local government. My money is directly poured back into my community. I am more able to watch over its use.Glory Days;964431 wrote:i figured it would be more like yes on 2 and no levies with the whole "i am not giving any more of my hard earned money to the gub'ment" attitude.
...So your union leaders would have you believe.This was about the controlling political party limiting the power of groups that oppose it.
Adam Smith called it "Enlightened Self Interest"tk421;964088 wrote:Pretty sad that the general population just lets the unions suck them in. Someone explain to me how less than 5% of the population of this state deserves these benefits/pensions that the rest of us are never going to be able to match? Only 350,000 public employees, yet somehow the public is going to vote this down.
Ditto. Ditto. Ditto.redstreak one;964482 wrote:4 BILLION dollars are being cut from the education budget for the next few years! This wasnt about the money, Kasich was able to cut that without this bill. I pay for my insurance and retirement, our district just voted a pay freeze and we will do what is necessary to keep as many people here employed as possible while still maintaining a solid living wage!
A great way to get more money into the state's education budget = getting more businesses in Ohio for increased tax revenue.redstreak one;964482 wrote:4 BILLION dollars are being cut from the education budget for the next few years! This wasnt about the money, Kasich was able to cut that without this bill. I pay for my insurance and retirement, our district just voted a pay freeze and we will do what is necessary to keep as many people here employed as possible while still maintaining a solid living wage!
I guess you forgot that merit evaluations was inserted into the budget language last summer and SB 5s defeat will not change that.said_aouita;964452 wrote:God forbid Union employees get paid based on justified merit. All issue #2 does is protect mediocrity.