Bigdogg;660898 wrote:Public service is different then private enterprise.

These people were never public servants. Therefore, you have NO RIGHT to their information. Period.

I mean hell, most on this board likely know that I'm not Kasich's biggest fan but that doesn't mean that I believe he used unfair hiring practices. I don't know that he didn't, but until you prove that he didn't I'm going to assume he hired the people he thought were best for the job.

I Wear Pants;660918 wrote:I mean hell, most on this board likely know that I'm not Kasich's biggest fan but that doesn't mean that I believe he used unfair hiring practices. I don't know that he didn't, but until you prove that he didn't I'm going to assume he hired the people he thought were best for the job.

If nothing else, he still has re-election to shoot for, so why would he shoot himself in the foot? Even from a greed standpoint, it makes sense to hire the best for the job.

Doggie is clueless about how the state's open records laws work.

If you were never OFFICIALLY a candidate, then your paperwork and info was never on file anywhere in a state paid facility. That means you have NO RIGHT to the information; that person is essentially a private citizen.

Why in the hell would you want it any other way?

I worked in the public sector and had to fulfill public information requests all the time (it was one of the biggest parts of my job), so I'm pretty familiar with what's public and what isn't.

O-Trap;660922 wrote:If nothing else, he still has re-election to shoot for, so why would he shoot himself in the foot? Even from a greed standpoint, it makes sense to hire the best for the job.

He is the first Governor in the history of Ohio to hire is cabinet the way he did. I think that speaks volumes. So much for the transparency that he promised during his campaign. I believe that public servants are accountable – to – well – the public. So far this guy his demonstrated the opposite. Last time this happen a guy name Tom Noe gave us taxpayers a royal screwing. Here is what our gutless leader thinks about transparency now that he has been elected.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aNJoM74rMNo

Bigdogg;661081 wrote:He is the first Governor in the history of Ohio to hire is cabinet the way he did. I think that speaks volumes.

It speaks nothing, other than the fact that he's the first Governor in the history of Ohio to hire his cabinet the way he did. This does not qualify as satisfying even the most remote burden of proof. Until we KNOW someone does something wrong, backed up with evidence, we probably shouldn't be making assumptions and throwing out accusations.

Bigdogg;661081 wrote:So much for the transparency that he promised during his campaign.

He's a lying politician. I'm shocked and amazed.

Bigdogg;661081 wrote:I believe that public servants are accountable – to – well – the public.

Yes, but people who are not public servants should not have their identity and information made public because some politician lied.

Bigdogg;661081 wrote:So far this guy his demonstrated the opposite. Last time this happen a guy name Tom Noe gave us taxpayers a royal screwing. Here is what our gutless leader thinks about transparency now that he has been elected.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aNJoM74rMNo

Again, I'm shocked and amazed. A politician lied.

Bigdogg;661081 wrote:He is the first Governor in the history of Ohio to hire is cabinet the way he did. I think that speaks volumes. So much for the transparency that he promised during his campaign. I believe that public servants are accountable – to – well – the public. So far this guy his demonstrated the opposite. Last time this happen a guy name Tom Noe gave us taxpayers a royal screwing. Here is what our gutless leader thinks about transparency now that he has been elected.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aNJoM74rMNo

GREAT clip!!!

Very Christie-like. (the harsh talk)

Oh, and I get the point of the clip, I'm just having some fun.

But, this thread is getting very (and I mean overly) Gibby-like. A little bit goes a long way, and it's now getting to be just a little too much.

*EDIT

Also, Bigdogg, we get that you don't like Kasich. We really do. But, I think this is the wrong thing to profile.

Bigdogg;661081 wrote: Last time this happen a guy name Tom Noe gave us taxpayers a royal screwing.

Actually, and contrary to public opinion, the state, or more specifically the BWC, did not lose one dime because of Tom Noe. A lot of people jumped to a lot of conclusions, but the funds recovered to date exceeded what was given to him to invest, and that includes the coins. And despite those facts, he is serving a sentence far more severe (19 years) than most of our state's murderers and gang bangers. The taxpayers didn't really get screwed at all. Your post is mega FAIL.

Didn't Kasich just start?
Geesh, at least give him a grace period.

ptown_trojans_1;661157 wrote:Didn't Kasich just start?
Geesh, at least give him a grace period.

I would agree with this. But in all seriousness, it doesn't bother me if people don't like a politician before election or from the getgo. I do the same thing. But, I think it would have more meaning if there was actually a decent gripe.

CenterBHSFan;661166 wrote:I would agree with this. But in all seriousness, it doesn't bother me if people don't like a politician before election or from the getgo. I do the same thing. But, I think it would have more meaning if there was actually a decent gripe.

To me it sounds more like "dammit my guy lost" speak

If a liberal isn't whining about something, it means the world has probably come to an end.

Writerbuckeye;661204 wrote:If a liberal isn't whining about something, it means the world has probably come to an end.

True, same goes for conservatives.

LJ;661172 wrote:To me it sounds more like "dammit my guy lost" speak

Well it seems I am in the majority opinion about his performance so far. According to Quinnipiac, Kasich has an approval rating of only 30%, and 22% already DISAPPROVE. That means he has a small +8 advantage in his job approval in his first week on the job compared to the +33 advantage Strickland had relatively around the same time period. As far as my research can find, no first-term Ohio Governor has had such a low approval or as high disapproval rating as Kasich. Nearly a quarter of Ohioans disapprove of the job Kasich is doing.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1322.xml?ReleaseID=1550

Writerbuckeye;661076 wrote:Doggie is clueless about how the state's open records laws work.

If you were never OFFICIALLY a candidate, then your paperwork and info was never on file anywhere in a state paid facility. That means you have NO RIGHT to the information; that person is essentially a private citizen.

Why in the hell would you want it any other way?

I worked in the public sector and had to fulfill public information requests all the time (it was one of the biggest parts of my job), so I'm pretty familiar with what's public and what isn't.

Well, I only have been in the public sector for 25 years, but hey I guess if you work at Social Security you must somehow be exempt from not only common sense, but the open records laws. Seems that after further review, Kasich's backdoor efforts failed. He IS required to release the records. Way to show your vast knowledge har Writter

http://www.zanesvilletimesrecorder.com/article/AB/20110120/NEWS0108/101210372/Kasich-releases-job-applicant-list

Bigdogg;661247 wrote:Well it seems I am in the majority opinion about his performance so far. According to Quinnipiac, Kasich has an approval rating of only 30%, and 22% already DISAPPROVE. That means he has a small +8 advantage in his job approval in his first week on the job compared to the +33 advantage Strickland had relatively around the same time period. As far as my research can find, no first-term Ohio Governor has had such a low approval or as high disapproval rating as Kasich. Nearly a quarter of Ohioans disapprove of the job Kasich is doing.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1322.xml?ReleaseID=1550

Quote from the article:

After one week in office, Kasich gets 30 - 22 percent job approval rating, with 48 percent of voters undecided. But voters are generally optimistic, 59 - 29 percent, about the next four years in Ohio with Kasich as governor.

I am shocked that 48% of voters are undecided after a week in office. I am sorry Strickland lost before he had a chance to save Ohio, but your hate on for Kasich is becoming comical. After Kasich has been in office for a reasonable amount of time and come back with a substantial argument against bills he has signed and changes he has made. Until then keep up the laughs.

Bigdogg;661267 wrote:Well, I only have been in the public sector for 25 years, but hey I guess if you work at Social Security you must somehow be exempt from not only common sense, but the open records laws. Seems that after further review, Kasich's backdoor efforts failed. He IS required to release the records. Way to show your vast knowledge har Writter

http://www.zanesvilletimesrecorder.com/article/AB/20110120/NEWS0108/101210372/Kasich-releases-job-applicant-list

Once again, you realize those are people that actually submitted their resumes right? Just like I said, I turned Yost down on applying for a job with the state Auditors office because I didn't want my info released.

Writerbuckeye;661204 wrote:If a liberal isn't whining about something, it means the world has probably come to an end.

I know it's a joke but look in the mirror. How much whining do conservatives do about Obama, the media, etc, etc?

Bigdogg;661267 wrote:Well, I only have been in the public sector for 25 years, but hey I guess if you work at Social Security you must somehow be exempt from not only common sense, but the open records laws. Seems that after further review, Kasich's backdoor efforts failed. He IS required to release the records. Way to show your vast knowledge har Writter

http://www.zanesvilletimesrecorder.com/article/AB/20110120/NEWS0108/101210372/Kasich-releases-job-applicant-list

If the governor were to call me up today and say "hey, would you like to apply for x job?" and I reply "Thanks but no" there is no need for the public to know about me.

LJ;661282 wrote:Once again, you realize those are people that actually submitted their resumes right? Just like I said, I turned Yost down on applying for a job with the state Auditors office because I didn't want my info released.

LJ, I will agree with you that if you don't apply then we are not entitled to know who you are unless of course we have ESP LOL! You are too funny!

Bigdogg;661267 wrote:Well, I only have been in the public sector for 25 years, but hey I guess if you work at Social Security you must somehow be exempt from not only common sense, but the open records laws. Seems that after further review, Kasich's backdoor efforts failed. He IS required to release the records. Way to show your vast knowledge har Writter

http://www.zanesvilletimesrecorder.com/article/AB/20110120/NEWS0108/101210372/Kasich-releases-job-applicant-list

First, that's bull. If I was applying for a new job, and I didn't get it, but it was made public (ie my current employer could find out), I'd be pissed. The public has no right to know whether or not I apply for a public job if I never get it.

That's the issue here. I'm not defending or protecting Kasich. I'm betting he's a sleaze-ball. I'm saying that those people shouldn't have their identities made available to the public.

Second, I'm actually calling bull on what Kasich ended up doing as well. He was forced to give names and resumes. Fine. That's stupid, but fine.

But no, he gave up personal email addresses! Not work emails. Personal emails. That's horse manure.

I Wear Pants;661297 wrote:If the governor were to call me up today and say "hey, would you like to apply for x job?" and I reply "Thanks but no" there is no need for the public to know about me.

Exactly.

Bigdogg;661247 wrote:Well it seems I am in the majority opinion about his performance so far. According to Quinnipiac, Kasich has an approval rating of only 30%, and 22% already DISAPPROVE. That means he has a small +8 advantage in his job approval in his first week on the job compared to the +33 advantage Strickland had relatively around the same time period. As far as my research can find, no first-term Ohio Governor has had such a low approval or as high disapproval rating as Kasich. Nearly a quarter of Ohioans disapprove of the job Kasich is doing.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1322.xml?ReleaseID=1550

He should not govern according to polls, nor according to the wishes of all the employees under him. That is precisely why the state and the nation have billions and trillions in deficits and debt. His job is to slash state spending, get the employees to be much more productive, and do it in a hurry. I don't care what the polls say; this is the reality that must be dealt with, and many people are still out to lunch on the dire situation(s) at hand.

Well I see the Ohio State House has approved Kasich 's efforts to privatize the Ohio Department of Development. As you remember, Kasick wants to model it after Enterprise Florida. Trouble is Florida is now looking to pulling the plug on theirs. A report issued by a non-partisan office of the Florida legislature found that the agency’s exaggerated its role in creating jobs particularly in distressed urban and failed to provide adequate economic development services in rural areas.

Because the salary and bonuses for the Florida company was tied to performance, earlier reports by the legislature found that the company “created” jobs in areas of Florida that already had strong local economic development efforts like in Miami-Dade, Duval, Hillsborough, and Orange (Orlando) Counties.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/state/gov-scott-fires-enterprise-florida-head-says-he-1214997.html

I do agree that we should privatize as much of the public services that is possible, but I hope the legislator's are smart enough to put in the proper safeguards to make it work. I don't have any confidence that this administration will.

Hopefully they will take this report's recommendation in consideration.

http://www.areadevelopment.com/article_pdf/id86260_powergrab%5B1%5D.pdf

ptown_trojans_1;661157 wrote:Didn't Kasich just start?
Geesh, at least give him a grace period.

No....Republicans didn't give Strickland or Obama a grace period...why should Kasich be any different?