Bigdogg;641642 wrote:

Also interesting that he was not able to find a single person to appoint with any diversity on his cabinet.

http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2011/01/kasich_says_he_went_hunting_fo.html

Thank GOD, finally people getting hired for something other than what color they are. Its about time someone took a stance on the blatant racism that is affirmative action!

Bigdogg;641656 wrote:I see you only read the headlines in the papers regarding the so called "high speed" rail. I agree that nobody will ride a train that slow. However, just like you always do on just about every issue, there is more to the story. The proposal also included upgrading the fright rail system and a host of a lot of other things that would have been very beneficial to Ohio's economy. I won't bother explaining them any further, but I would encourage you to be better informed on the issues. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

A lot of political rhetoric in there. Unless you can list the "things" it is nothing more than a money pit. If it doesn't get me there faster than my car does, why should we pay Millions to fund it?

bases_loaded;641660 wrote:A lot of political rhetoric in there. Unless you can list the "things" it is nothing more than a money pit. If it doesn't get me there faster than my car does, why should we pay Millions to fund it?

A swing and a miss with both points. 1961 was the last time a Governor from Ohio failed to find a qualified cabinet member with diversity. Wish we knew who he considered but that was done out of the public eye for the first time also. Maybe would could all judge if the "best applicant" was indeed chosen.

Again, read for yourself. Your are right about the political rhetoric, but your wrong about who is full of it.
http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions/Rail/Programs/passenger/Ohio%20Hub%20Summaries/ExecutiveSummary.pdf

How do you know he hired the best? Who else did he consider? That's right, only he knows because of the way he conducted the process through a private entity.

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2010/11/governor-elect_john_kasich_kee.html

Bigdogg;641678 wrote:How do you know he hired the best? Who else did he consider? That's right, only he knows because of the way he conducted the process through a private entity.

So obviously he left out all people of color.

Doggie apparently isn't aware of Amtrak and the cluster fuck anchor it has been around the necks of Americans -- founded on the promise that it would eventually pay for itself, it has had to be subsidized by hundreds of millions of tax dollars since it began.

If this rail system can't even pay for itself, then it's NOT NEEDED AT THIS TIME.

If there was a TRUE NEED for high speed rail, and it was truly a more EFFICIENT means of travel, it would at least pay for itself, and not have to rely on public subsidies; especially at a time when Ohio is billions in debt.

It was the wrong plan at the wrong time in the wrong place.

Even building infrastructure should require common sense in the planning.

This plan had none.


As for his Cabinet: He has put in place the people he feels can best help the state of Ohio at this point in time. I see no reason he shouldn't go forward and appoint whomever he feels meets that need. How about we hold those folks accountable for WHAT THEY DO and not be so concerned about the color of their skin or their gender?

Bigdogg;641642 wrote:Also interesting that he was not able to find a single person to appoint with any diversity on his cabinet.

http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2011/01/kasich_says_he_went_hunting_fo.html

Only the real racists notice such things any more. The rest of us are long past it. We heed Doctor King's brilliant words. It's too bad you aren't capable of the same.

queencitybuckeye;641725 wrote:Only the real racists notice such things any more. The rest of us are long past it. We heed Doctor King's brilliant words. It's too bad you aren't capable of the same.

timely.

Don't know much about Kasich, but HSR (High speed rail, not Hart-Scott-Rodino) in Ohio makes about as much sense as a poop flavored lollipop to quote a for tv-version of "Dodgeball". Who the heck is going to use it? It works well in high density Asian countries with a centralized business district, not in a midwestern state with a lot of land and few reasons for anyone to travel from one city to the other.

Bigdogg;641642 wrote:Also interesting that he was not able to find a single person to appoint with any diversity on his cabinet.

http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2011/01/kasich_says_he_went_hunting_fo.html

Actually, all are highly 'diverse' in what matters most: experience, knowledge, and ability to get the job done properly .... and that, and only that, is what we should be paying for.

Manhattan Buckeye;641732 wrote:Don't know much about Kasich, but HSR (High speed rail, not Hart-Scott-Rodino) in Ohio makes about as much sense as a poop flavored lollipop to quote a for tv-version of "Dodgeball". Who the heck is going to use it? It works well in high density Asian countries with a centralized business district, not in a midwestern state with a lot of land and few reasons for anyone to travel from one city to the other.

I supplied the research that it made sense, you supplied a poop flavored lollipop opinion. That's the difference between an opinion formed by researching the issue and using your brain, and one where you piss in the wind and try not to get wet. I think that this is exactly what we are seeing in politics right now from both sides.

Manhattan Buckeye;641732 wrote:Don't know much about Kasich, but HSR (High speed rail, not Hart-Scott-Rodino) in Ohio makes about as much sense as a poop flavored lollipop to quote a for tv-version of "Dodgeball". Who the heck is going to use it? It works well in high density Asian countries with a centralized business district, not in a midwestern state with a lot of land and few reasons for anyone to travel from one city to the other.

Agreed ----- a massive boondoggle with untenable upkeep costs, to ultimately just provide subsidized train rides from urban center to urban center for the entitlement bunch. The gravy 'train' is over; Kasich did not arrive a day too soon.

High speed rail does make sense. People would use it and it isn't just for small Asian countries, it works excellently in Europe as well.

As for Kasich's cabinet, I'm sure he chose who he felt was best for the job and complaining about a lack of diversity is insane.

Bigdogg;641738 wrote:I supplied the research that it made sense, you supplied a poop flavored lollipop opinion. That's the difference between an opinion formed by researching the issue and using your brain, and one where you piss in the wind and try not to get wet. I think that this is exactly what we are seeing in politics right now from both sides.

Do you realize how expensive it would be to lay a real HSR track down in Ohio? And why? People go from Cincinnati to Cleveland for one reason, watch sports - no one commutes that far in Ohio. Land is plentiful and cheap. Even the best neighborhoods in Ohio are VERY inexpensive compared to the east/west coasts. HSR in Ohio is likely the dumbest idea.

Yeah it works OK in Europe, but it is also very, very expensive. It often costs more to take the train than it does to fly...it is one thing for Euros to spend vacation money on getting from Rome to Frankfurt, but again who the $&%^ is going to go to Cleveland from Cincinnati and be willing to spend the amount of dollars to make it worthwhile? Answer: no one. It is easy just to drive.

Writerbuckeye;641687 wrote:Doggie apparently isn't aware of Amtrak and the cluster fuck anchor it has been around the necks of Americans -- founded on the promise that it would eventually pay for itself, it has had to be subsidized by hundreds of millions of tax dollars since it began.

If this rail system can't even pay for itself, then it's NOT NEEDED AT THIS TIME.

If there was a TRUE NEED for high speed rail, and it was truly a more EFFICIENT means of travel, it would at least pay for itself, and not have to rely on public subsidies; especially at a time when Ohio is billions in debt.

It was the wrong plan at the wrong time in the wrong place.

Even building infrastructure should require common sense in the planning.

This plan had none.


As for his Cabinet: He has put in place the people he feels can best help the state of Ohio at this point in time. I see no reason he shouldn't go forward and appoint whomever he feels meets that need. How about we hold those folks accountable for WHAT THEY DO and not be so concerned about the color of their skin or their gender?

It's Mr Dog to you. LJ may not censor you but I can add you to the rest of my favorites idiots on my ignore list. Very aware of AMTRAK, rode on it twice, once on the autotrain to Florida and once to Chicago for a Buckeye game. We defiantly do not need anymore of this. If you read the proposal, you would know it is very different. The project is no different then investing in another road construction project from Cincinnati to Cleveland.

I Wear Pants;641748 wrote:High speed rail does make sense. People would use it and it isn't just for small Asian countries, it works excellently in Europe as well.

IWP...I respect your opinions but who in hell would ride a high-speed rail between Cincy and Cleveburg besides Browns and Bengals fans? C'mon. Really??

The reason the Feds want to pay for this boondoggle is because private for-profit companies who might invest capital in such a project know full-well this will LOSE money...big time.

believer;641814 wrote:IWP...I respect your opinions but who in hell would ride a high-speed rail between Cincy and Cleveburg besides Browns and Bengals fans? C'mon. Really??

The reason the Feds want to pay for this boondoggle is because private for-profit companies who might invest capital in such a project know full-well this will LOSE money...big time.

We would take highspeed from Columbus to Cleveland to catch a highspeed from Cleveland to Buffalo to go to the inlaws IF price was comparable to driving and the travel time was less.

believer;641814 wrote:IWP...I respect your opinions but who in hell would ride a high-speed rail between Cincy and Cleveburg besides Browns and Bengals fans? C'mon. Really??

The reason the Feds want to pay for this boondoggle is because private for-profit companies who might invest capital in such a project know full-well this will LOSE money...big time.

If it is faster or just as fast as driving from one city to another, it could foster better link the two business sectors by making it cheaper to travel from one city to another.
It is more of a long term infrastructure item that put together with urban planning, could help Cincy and Cleveland to move up to where Cbus is.

ptown_trojans_1;641825 wrote:If it is faster or just as fast as driving from one city to another, it could foster better link the two business sectors by making it cheaper to travel from one city to another.
It is more of a long term infrastructure item that put together with urban planning, could help Cincy and Cleveland to move up to where Cbus is.

If that is the case it would seem to make more sense to create a HSR line from Louisville to Cincinnati, or Cleveland to Buffalo (as LJ pointed out) or Pittsburgh. The only thing Cincinnati and Cleveland has in common is that they are in the same state.

Cleveland-Columbus-Cincinnati-Louisville-Nashville?

Could built it in stages. Would that make sense?

I Wear Pants;641835 wrote:Cleveland-Columbus-Cincinnati-Louisville-Nashville?

Could built it in stages. Would that make sense?

Then you connect Cleveland to Erie and Buffalo, bring Detroit down, a line from Chicago that connects in Cleveland, Indy, Dayton, Columbus, Pittsburgh also makes sense

I Wear Pants;641835 wrote:Cleveland-Columbus-Cincinnati-Louisville-Nashville?

Could built it in stages. Would that make sense?

Or Cleveland-Pitt- Philly and then hook up to the east coast.
Pitt to Philly is the open Penn area, and would also make the state more money, plus be fast.

If there was a high speed, 100+ mph way for me to head to DC to Cbus, I'd take and I'm sure the large OSU alumni base out here would too.

I think a high speed rail system done right would make a lot of sense.

The exact proposal that we did have was not doing it right but I would really love to see good high speed transportation sooner than later. The long run prospects of it have to be ridiculously positive.

I Wear Pants;641896 wrote:I think a high speed rail system done right would make a lot of sense.

The exact proposal that we did have was not doing it right but I would really love to see good high speed transportation sooner than later. The long run prospects of it have to be ridiculously positive.

I want to see it when it makes sense economically and can sustain itself without government subsidies. That day is a long, long, long way off.

The business model of the future isn't to have people travel long distances to sit in offices or even attend meetings -- it's telecommuting and teleconferencing. Those costs are negligible against the bottom line. I find it hard to believe that high speed transportation is ever going to be able to compete.

Shopping and eating and concerts, etc are more the benefit of a high speed system though the business/work benefits are there too.

Do you not support any infrastructure advances then because very few of them directly support themselves but there are many other economic benefits to them.