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Jan 19, 2011 10:06 AM
So is it pretty much set that they are going for a receiver with their first pick?

I know its early and boards will change, but what about Marcell Dareus or Quinn from UNC?
Jan 19, 2011 10:06am
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Jan 19, 2011 10:17 AM
Automatik;643713 wrote:So is it pretty much set that they are going for a receiver with their first pick?

I know its early and boards will change, but what about Marcell Dareus or Quinn from UNC?

Its hard to specualte on Dline prospects bc we dont even know what defensive scheme we're going to run. I would assume switching to the 4-3, which would mean a complete overall of our dline. Overall though my guess is its WR/DE in the first.
Jan 19, 2011 10:17am
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Jan 19, 2011 10:24 AM
thedynasty1998;643704 wrote:Not sure how else I can prove that centers do not have as much value as some of the other positions that were of need to the Browns.

You can't prove it. Center is a VERY important position. Especially in a division like the AFC north where you go against N'gata, Hampton and the steelers defense. You need a guy on the line to make the calls and keep our QB from getting killed. I wonder if the Jets would take Matthews for Mangold, I highly doubt it.
Jan 19, 2011 10:24am
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Jan 19, 2011 11:26 AM
thedynasty1998;643704 wrote:Seriously? Guys are going to be paid based upon what NFL teams think of their value. They think QB's are the most important position, therefore they are paid more. They think punters are the least important, therefore paid the least.


Wrong wrong wrong wrong, wrong wrong wrong wrong (Dr. Cox voice).

SIMPLE ECONOMICS says that QB's are paid the most not because of importance, but because of lack of quality options. There are a ton more guys out there who can kick or punt, but not guys who can run an NFL offense efficiently. QB is the most important position, but not because they're paid the most.

Offensive line is the 2nd most important unit. However, because there happens to be more abundance of available bodies (cough cough substitutes) their value is less and hence they're paid less, but it doesn't make a quality player (such as Mack, Steinbach, or Thomas) any less valuable.
Jan 19, 2011 11:26am
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Jan 19, 2011 11:52 AM
The Alex Mack for Clay Matthews hypothetical is not even a valid hypothetical because Clay Matthews is arguably the best LB in the league. Alex Mack is arguably a top 5 center.

Greg Jennings is arguably a top 5 WR in the NFL..Antonio Gates is arguably the best TE in the league. I bet you the Chargers would not trade Antonio Gates for Greg Jennings, even though WR is the more important position.
Jan 19, 2011 11:52am
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Jan 19, 2011 12:06 PM
lhslep134;643816 wrote:Wrong wrong wrong wrong, wrong wrong wrong wrong (Dr. Cox voice).

SIMPLE ECONOMICS says that QB's are paid the most not because of importance, but because of lack of quality options. There are a ton more guys out there who can kick or punt, but not guys who can run an NFL offense efficiently. QB is the most important position, but not because they're paid the most.

Offensive line is the 2nd most important unit. However, because there happens to be more abundance of available bodies (cough cough substitutes) their value is less and hence they're paid less, but it doesn't make a quality player (such as Mack, Steinbach, or Thomas) any less valuable.

Yes, QB's are paid the most for obvious reasons. But you are ignoring all other positions in their ranking. Center just isn't as important as some others.
Jan 19, 2011 12:06pm
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Jan 19, 2011 12:11 PM
thedynasty1998;643885 wrote:Yes, QB's are paid the most for obvious reasons. But you are ignoring all other positions in their ranking. Center just isn't as important as some others.

Because you can find serviceable Cs easier than some other positions. That doesnt mean a top C in the league isnt worth his weight in gold though. There are more serviceable Centers in the league than RB, but the top 5 Centers can still be as valuable to a team as a top 5 RB. But a RB will be paid more because you have to overpay just to find one serviceable thus the pay scale rises for the great ones. Centers pay scale wont jump as much, because the serviceable ones cant demand as much, so the jump for the great ones wont jump as much.
Jan 19, 2011 12:11pm
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Jan 19, 2011 12:12 PM
SportsAndLady;643858 wrote:The Alex Mack for Clay Matthews hypothetical is not even a valid hypothetical because Clay Matthews is arguably the best LB in the league. Alex Mack is arguably a top 5 center.

Mathews was taken just a few picks after Mack, how is it not a good hypothetical?

Again, I'm not saying Mack isn't a very good player. I just think that the Browns could have better utilized that draft.
Jan 19, 2011 12:12pm
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Jan 19, 2011 12:12 PM
How about the Browns just make it a point to draft Casey Matthews and therefore make this a moot discussion?
Jan 19, 2011 12:12pm
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Jan 19, 2011 12:15 PM
I guess we can just agree to disagree.
Jan 19, 2011 12:15pm
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Jan 19, 2011 12:19 PM
Where's BR when you need him. I remember back on the huddle when the Browns drafted Mack. Me, him, and maybe one or two others understood the importance of the O-line. Everyone else was pissed because it wasn't some "flashy" player/pick.
Jan 19, 2011 12:19pm
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Jan 19, 2011 12:23 PM
Point is you don't take the best available with every draft pick you have because it may not fill a NEED, or a future need ie aging vet. It's that simple.
Jan 19, 2011 12:23pm
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Jan 19, 2011 12:34 PM
ytownfootball;643916 wrote:Point is you don't take the best available with every draft pick you have because it may not fill a NEED, or a future need ie aging vet. It's that simple.

I understand that. I really do. Mack was one of the best draft picks the Browns have made in recent years. Him and Thomas are anchors that are a great foundation for the offense. However, I think there were other positions of need that might have been more important.

The Browns had the 5th pick and passed on guys like Sanchez, Raji, Cushing, Freeman, Maclin, Harvin and Mathews.

I know that it's much easier now to look back and say they should have done something different, however, that's the position we are currently in. They passed on two franchise QB's, two elite LB's and a WR that would have made a difference.

And for those who are talking about the value of a C, why are they not taken in the top 10 picks of an NFL draft? Why are they hardly ever taken in the first round? It's because teams are looking for more value with their first picks.
Jan 19, 2011 12:34pm
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Jan 19, 2011 12:41 PM
SMH
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Jan 19, 2011 12:42 PM
No it's supply and demand.
Jan 19, 2011 12:42pm
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Jan 19, 2011 12:45 PM
ytownfootball;643939 wrote:No it's supply and demand.

What do you mean by that?

There is much more supply than demand? That would be my argument.
Jan 19, 2011 12:45pm
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Jan 19, 2011 12:46 PM
More demand than supply.
Jan 19, 2011 12:46pm
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Jan 19, 2011 12:50 PM
Jester;643909 wrote:Where's BR when you need him. I remember back on the huddle when the Browns drafted Mack. Me, him, and maybe one or two others understood the importance of the O-line. Everyone else was pissed because it wasn't some "flashy" player/pick.

I was very happy with the pick. I'm a big believer in the lines. I think many (coughdynastycough) have this mentality of the flashy wow pick.
Jan 19, 2011 12:50pm
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Jan 19, 2011 12:52 PM
hoops23;643937 wrote:SMH
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Jan 19, 2011 12:52pm
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Jan 19, 2011 12:52 PM
ytownfootball;643952 wrote:More demand than supply.

Care to explain? If there were more demand than supply, you would see larger contracts for centers and more going in the early part of the draft.
Jan 19, 2011 12:52pm
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Jan 19, 2011 12:53 PM
The Browns needed it. The longevity of O linemen exceeds that of the "flashy pick guys" and we all remember what happens to flash when standing behind a wall of turnstiles cough cough Couch.
Jan 19, 2011 12:53pm
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Jan 19, 2011 12:54 PM
The demand is higher for QB's, RB's etc that are impact players because there are fewer of them. Not C's and RG's.
Jan 19, 2011 12:54pm
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Jan 19, 2011 12:55 PM
ytownfootball;643971 wrote:The demand is higher for QB's, RB's etc that are impact players because there are fewer of them. Not C's and RG's.

I understand that. What point exactly are you trying to make?
Jan 19, 2011 12:55pm