Here we go again. Can't help it but in today's Toledo Blade there is a website posted which lists salaries of any and all public employees in the area, cops, firemen, teachers, secretaries, etc., etc.:

http://www.toledobladedata.com/caspio/

If you know of a teacher in the Toledo Public School District or surrounding suburban school district, all you have to do it type in a name (even just a last name) and their annual salaries pop up. I personally typed in a dozen names in various surrounding school districts, they were ALL between $60,000 on the LOW end to upper $80,000's, two of which were Phys Ed teachers making well over $70,000. For working 180 DAYS a YEAR, that is MORE than generous, not even including the benefit/retirement package. You can't tell me that a Phys Ed teacher has THAT MUCH 'take home" work grading papers, etc. wow.

And they want more, I just dont understand. Years ago they didnt make enough which I always said. Now they are overpaid considering that the school district I live has had some bad marks on them for not teaching enough for the kids to pass them texts.

Link does not work.

Not even 13 hours into the new year and we already have our first "teachers are overpaid" thread. Want a cookie?

So let's see,

- actually 200 days for teachers
- P.E. still has to plan for activities (which does happen outside of the school day typically)
- etc...

and if it is such a great job, become a fucking teacher and quit bitching about it.

It's an important job, being done poorly.

queencitybuckeye;620034 wrote:It's an important job, being done poorly.

Unfortunately some do it very well, just dragged down by the ones that don't care, take their money, gold plated pensions and vacations. A great teacher is worth $150,000/year. A bad teacher should be fired. Unfortunately the public unions practically prevent the latter. The only teachers that lost their jobs in the district I attended had to do something crazy like not show up or involve in 'relations' with a student.

First of all Scarlet_Buckeye , rather than making sweeping negative comments about what you think a day in the life of a physical education teacher is like, perhaps you might try actually asking one what the job has become. Don't use your own school experience as your expert evidence. You would be incredibly wrong. I know you haven't done any research whatsoever. You already know everything your limited and biased opinion has afforded you. Why confuse the issue with some actual facts? When you say..."You can't tell me that a Phys. Ed. teacher has THAT MUCH, (your capitalization, not mine), 'take home" work grading papers, etc. wow." That tells me several things about you. Your opinion is already formed and nothing anyone will say to you is necessary. I can't tell you anything and that is part of the frustration trying to reason with a person that is totally and stubbornly unreasonable. As to your unsupported allegations concerning a physical education teacher's teaching day and the grading of papers etc, let me tell you about the physical education department that I was used to seeing in my school. The class dealt with the importance of life long activities that could be continued the students entire life and would help in providing a healthier, more intelligent lifestyle. This was a unit in the class which featured hand outs, lecture, discussion and tests to insure that the student was understanding the concepts. And yes Virginia, the teacher graded and returned these. Some parents couldn't understand that there were tests in physical education. You sound like this could be your opinion, Scarlet_Buckeye. At the conclusion of each unit, whether the material was taught from the actual participation in the activity or lecture or both, there would be a quiz or test that had to be graded and yes, the teacher graded those papers. Teaching can't be measured in hours a day Scarlet, because at union scale we would be incredibly more expensive than you consider us to be now. Of course, I understand your view that we have very little to do. We have to keep an eye open for abused children and report this, as it is the law. We have to be on the lookout for signs of anorexia in our high school kids and get them to the proper help, we have to have pretty deep pockets because we don't always have budgets for supplies but we want our kids to have the stuff they need so many of us just get it for them. Even in the richest of schools there are the silent poor. We have more and more conferences these days with kids at risk and these are usually after school. We have to make sure the kids who have hygiene problems are gently but firmly reminded that they need to shower or whatever, only to find that they may have had their water shut off because there was no money. We have to write lesson plans and vary them in each class for every student because there are so many more problems to deal with than ever before. And yes, Scarlet, the physical education teachers are responsible for all of that as well as their classes. As far as your claim that we only work for 180 days or whatever you claimed, that is partially true. Some teachers are teaching as a second family income. Many others are not. I just retired after 40 plus years and worked every summer but three or four because I needed the money with four kids to raise. I don't consider 70,000 dollars an exhorbitant amount of money to pay people entrusted with your child's education, socialization, welfare, and his or her safety. You can add part time counselor, parent in absentia, disciplinarian, and once in awhile, a fight "breaker-upper". Of course less you forget...the lesson plans, the papers, the lectures and all the other responsibilities that have been farmed out to America's teachers. Come to think of it Scarlet, since you obviously think that our job is a walk in the park, I have just retired. If you have a teaching cerificate and the proper credentials academically, I know where you can get a job. If you need credentials, you can go back to college at a cost estimated these days of anywhere from around 15-20,000 dollars on up times four. After that and your student teaching you too can join the gravy train at a starting salary (in our area) of around 30,000. Don't spend it all in one place. I'll bet you're probably thinking...That starting salary is what they should be making after 30 years!!!!!

queencitybuckeye;620034 wrote:It's an important job, being done poorly.

Please don't lump all teachers into this.

"I just retired after 40 plus years "

Congrats, stop there. People in my generation will never retire. Be thankful for what you have.

Manhattan Buckeye;620096 wrote:"I just retired after 40 plus years "

Congrats, stop there. People in my generation will never retire. Be thankful for what you have.

or never collect retirement.

13 years experience

master's degree

elementary physical education teacher

jr high and varsity boys and girls cross country coach (no assistants or volunteers)

jr high and varsity boys and girls track coach (no assistants or volunteers)

I made $51,000 this past year.

To make things even more exciting I drive 130 miles round trip during my non-coaching seasons and 150 miles roud trip during my coaching seasons....which is my decision....as was becoming a PE teacher/coach

Happy New Year everyone!

GoPens;620075 wrote:Please don't lump all teachers into this.

Fair enough. But the fact remains that overall, our public education system sucks. Is it all the fault of the teachers? Absolutely not. Would it be beyond belief to think they aren't a significant part of the problem? Absolutely.

queencitybuckeye;620034 wrote:It's an important job, being done poorly.

Don't base your opinions on just the teachers we have on the OC.

Ironman92;620136 wrote:13 years experience

master's degree

elementary physical education teacher

jr high and varsity boys and girls cross country coach (no assistants or volunteers)

jr high and varsity boys and girls track coach (no assistants or volunteers)

I made $51,000 this past year.

To make things even more exciting I drive 130 miles round trip during my non-coaching seasons and 150 miles roud trip during my coaching seasons....which is my decision....as was becoming a PE teacher/coach

Happy New Year everyone!

Where do you teach? If I recall from another thread, you are in a rural area. Truth be told, it is the teachers in the larger cities and suburban areas that are getting paid bank. The Toledo Blade link is no surprise to me. A family member of mine is a middle school teacher in southwest Ohio with her master's plus 12 years experience (no coaching) and she pulls in $70K/year.

I think the point most make is not that a good educator is worth a lot of money or that the jobs aren't important, its just that teaching is one profession where you constantly hear from those within and even those out of the profession that they don't "make enough". It is also one of those jobs were those within and outside will tell you how it is more difficult and more important than any other job in the world (is being an elementary school teacher really more difficult or important than say, a lawyer or an architect?).

In SE Ohio $51,000 isn't rich by any means, but it isn't poor. If one is married and their spouse pulls in a similar amount (which was my experience, most of my teachers had a working spouse, if not married to another teacher), $102,000 is upper class. Definitely at the top 5% of the income spectrum. It is an incredibly impoverished area, aside from the few successful business owners, teachers are just below doctors and some lawyers in the income category. Over half of my class qualified for free lunches.

in my school district...the teachers starting salary is something like 18k. Our football coach and teacher who has been there 25+ years only makes 50k i believe.

as for being a teacher..i think its would be a good job for the money (depending where you work), but it doesnt interest me.

Manhattan Buckeye;620187 wrote:In SE Ohio $51,000 isn't rich by any means, but it isn't poor. If one is married and their spouse pulls in a similar amount (which was my experience, most of my teachers had a working spouse, if not married to another teacher), $102,000 is upper class. Definitely at the top 5% of the income spectrum. It is an incredibly impoverished area, aside from the few successful business owners, teachers are just below doctors and some lawyers in the income category. Over half of my class qualified for free lunches.

Most of my family lives in the Ohio Valley. I agree with exactly what you are saying. One other thing to consider in those areas is that in those areas working as a teacher sure beats the heck of the alternative of working in a factory, steel mill or coal mine as far as quality of life factors. Also, as a teacher in that part of the state, you may be below doctors and lawyers as far income, but as far as social status in the community you are right at the top with those individuals.

I don't think the face-on situation in the TPS is representative of the entire, or perhaps even Lucas County. IIRC, due to closings, layoffs, etc, isn't their system extremely top-heavy in terms of years of service?

Also - here in Franklin County, Columbus Public Schools pay about 25% than the surrounding districts - it's needed to simply attract qualified teachers. A teaching friend of ours calls it "combat pay".

Pick6;620189 wrote:in my school district...the teachers starting salary is something like 18k. Our football coach and teacher who has been there 25+ years only makes 50k i believe.

as for being a teacher..i think its would be a good job for the money (depending where you work), but it doesnt interest me.

18k? Seems way low. Most teachers i know, who just started teaching in the last year or so, were making around 29-31k a year.

cbus4life;620256 wrote:18k? Seems way low. Most teachers i know, who just started teaching in the last year or so, were making around 29-31k a year.

switzerland of ohio school district. probably the poorest district in the state, with the area not much better. I might be a couple thousand off, but im sure its no more than 22k.

queencitybuckeye;620151 wrote:Fair enough. But the fact remains that overall, our public education system sucks. Is it all the fault of the teachers? Absolutely not. Would it be beyond belief to think they aren't a significant part of the problem? Absolutely.

Part of the problem...yes. If you ask me a more significant part of the problem are the parents who don't care to parent and don't care if their kid is a hellion in school, is pulling F's, and lets them play X-box till 3am every night.

Pick6;620257 wrote:switzerland of ohio school district. probably the poorest district in the state, with the area not much better. I might be a couple thousand off, but im sure its no more than 22k.

Went to an Ohio regional scholars program at OU and my roommate was from Switzerland of Ohio. Damn. That place makes the rest of SE Ohio look like a megalopolis. Nice guy, wish I kept up with him.

Pick6;620257 wrote:switzerland of ohio school district. probably the poorest district in the state, with the area not much better. I might be a couple thousand off, but im sure its no more than 22k.

20K in that area is like 50K in Toledo.

Manhattan Buckeye;620262 wrote:Went to an Ohio regional scholars program at OU and my roommate was from Switzerland of Ohio. Damn. That place makes the rest of SE Ohio look like a megalopolis. Nice guy, wish I kept up with him.

beallsville, mc, or river? im from beallsville

Here ya go boys and girls, the first link allows you to look up any teacher or employee in the state of ohio, and th second is a link to the contracts for schools both teachers and non certified. Please find me a school in ohio where you can make 71,000 a year with 12 years exp. and no coaching as a teacher, because i need to move there.

http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/teacher-salary

http://www.serb.state.oh.us/sections/research/WEB%20CONTRACTS/WEB%20CONTRACT%20LIST.pdf