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Dec 23, 2010 6:29 PM
slide22;611978 wrote:For as much as you talk about how religious and bullshit that you are, you really are a tool. Stop acting like the SEC, LSU, and you are better than everyone. Besides, everyone knows the SEC is the dirtiest conference in football, just look at the oversigning issue.
he's not religious, he's simply a hypocrite...just ignore him like I did--- it's great!!!
Dec 23, 2010 6:29pm
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Dec 23, 2010 6:51 PM
I think as long as they have eligibilty they can't sell those till after!
Dec 23, 2010 6:51pm
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Dec 23, 2010 6:53 PM
The interesting thing in all of this is that during the regular season, I took tremendous amounts of crap from some OC posters for constantly ragging on Pryor's lack of true leadership, his stupidity, etc. The thing is we all know he's a narcissistic douche bag who cares only about himself. All I can say is "I told you so."

If I were Tress I'd bench these fucktards in favor of the next guy in the line-up and use the Sugar Bowl as a tune-up for next season.
Dec 23, 2010 6:53pm
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Dec 23, 2010 6:53 PM
ccrunner--you're correct, but it's against the rules, and they knew that..they don't have to agree with the rules, but they do need to abide by them (unless you're Cecil Newton)
Dec 23, 2010 6:53pm
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Dec 23, 2010 6:54 PM
They can sell it now, they just can't keep their full eligibility. These guys aren't facing criminal sanctions. They did what they wanted with their stuff, which was against the rules...so they have to deal with it.

I think the NCAA is just as arbitrary and silly as the next college football fan, but college athletes can't sell the stuff they get - otherwise boosters would just pay them in their "garage sale."
Dec 23, 2010 6:54pm
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Dec 23, 2010 7:11 PM
These guys make millions of dollars for the school and NCAA, and aren't even allowed to sell their own property without being suspended half a season.

I'll hand it to the NCAA, they've got quite the scheme going on. They've convinced everyone it's cool to gain hundreds of millions of dollars in profit and pay the people that give them those profits in "free education" they'll never need. And with the way they've hammered this tradition into the American Public's mind, the players are all but forced into this situation for 3 years if they ever want to play in the NFL.

Then, they convince everyone they're doing this for "the integrity of the game" and somehow take the moral high ground against the players. Bravo NCAA, bravo.

The players were stupid, but only because they didn't cover it up better. I don't blame any of them one bit for trying to play a system, that is built around playing them.
Dec 23, 2010 7:11pm
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Dec 23, 2010 7:17 PM
If anyone thinks these guys gave money to their mothers, I got several bridges to sell you.

Isn't Mike Adams from Dublin? I haven't lived in Ohio since 1992 but from what I understand it is one of the wealthiest areas in the State. Posey/Herron/Pryor don't appear to have come from incredibly disadvantaged backgrounds. Don't know about Soloman.
Dec 23, 2010 7:17pm
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Dec 23, 2010 7:19 PM
ccrunner609;612011 wrote:OSU football makes about $80 million a year off of these kids, the NCAA makes billions off of the backs of kids and dont get me started about bowls and why we dont have a playoff.......but when a kid sells stuff to give the money to his mother (and maybe get a tat or two) they get hung at high noon.

Fucking great system we have here.
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Dec 23, 2010 7:19pm
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Dec 23, 2010 7:23 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;612014 wrote:If anyone thinks these guys gave money to their mothers, I got several bridges to sell you.

Isn't Mike Adams from Dublin? I haven't lived in Ohio since 1992 but from what I understand it is one of the wealthiest areas in the State. Posey/Herron/Pryor don't appear to have come from incredibly disadvantaged backgrounds. Don't know about Soloman.
Exactly. I sincerely doubt that the families of these players are hurting financially. Trust me....the money is flowing in one form or another. These clowns did NOT have to sell their awards to keep their families from figuratively starving.
Dec 23, 2010 7:23pm
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Dec 23, 2010 7:37 PM
Who cares if they used it to feed their mother, or to buy a playstation? They'd have been penalized the same regardless. I can assure you there are college athletes and their families are living in poverty, and the NCAA would have suspended them for selling their awards as well.
Dec 23, 2010 7:37pm
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Dec 23, 2010 7:45 PM
I care because the Ohio St. AD brought up the economy as part of the rationale.

A high ranking OSU official simply lied IMO, with that comment and for throwing the compliance dept under the bus...what went from being an embarrassment to the football program became an embarrassment to the entire athletic department and ultimately the school.

Ohio St. alums should be majorly p.o.'ed right now. Ohio State is better than this, or it should be. Leave this shit to the LSU's and Auburn's of the collegiate ranks.
Dec 23, 2010 7:45pm
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Dec 23, 2010 8:15 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;612030 wrote:I care because the Ohio St. AD brought up the economy as part of the rationale.

A high ranking OSU official simply lied IMO, with that comment and for throwing the compliance dept under the bus...what went from being an embarrassment to the football program became an embarrassment to the entire athletic department and ultimately the school.

Ohio St. alums should be majorly p.o.'ed right now. Ohio State is better than this, or it should be. Leave this shit to the LSU's and Auburn's of the collegiate ranks.
1.) How do we know the OSU AD lied? Most college students struggle financially. Maybe these guys are no different and were tired of eating ramen noodles while their jerseys sold for $60 a pop across the street. Can't say I'd blame them.

2.) LOL at OSU being "better than this." It's college football, not a reflection on the integrity or academics of the student body. NCAA rules are broken at most/all college football powers. The only thing OSU alums should be upset about is that our players were too dumb to cover it up.
Dec 23, 2010 8:15pm
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Dec 23, 2010 8:21 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;612030 wrote: Ohio St. alums should be majorly p.o.'ed right now. Ohio State is better than this, or it should be. Leave this shit to the LSU's and Auburn's of the collegiate ranks.
I think the majority of us are. Very pissed. Columbus is already in meltdown/angry-at-the-world mode. Any more 'revelations' about this program might send the city into a complete freefall.
dat dude;611583 wrote: As a Buckeye fan, I want them to put this behind them and go out and get a win. Thats the best way to make it up to the fans.
Too little too late, tools. As a fan and alum I want them as far away from the program as soon as possible. This entire situation is EMBARRASSING and it isn't going to get better if these players continue to be members of this team. There is no making this up to the fans. Even if we were to win the Sugar Bowl (which I don't think is going to happen now), it means nothing.
cats gone wild;611857 wrote: LSU runs alot cleaner program than what OSU runs even with the recent stuff.
You can't be serious.
Dec 23, 2010 8:21pm
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Dec 23, 2010 8:26 PM
It's a slippery slope for the NCAA. If they don't lay the smack down on these minor infractions, whose to say that the next guy doesn't sell his ring for $10,000 instead of $1,000. Just sayin.
Dec 23, 2010 8:26pm
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Dec 23, 2010 8:30 PM
ccrunner609;612011 wrote:OSU football makes about $80 million a year off of these kids, the NCAA makes billions off of the backs of kids and dont get me started about bowls and why we dont have a playoff.......but when a kid sells stuff to give the money to his mother (and maybe get a tat or two) they get hung at high noon.

Fucking great system we have here.
I understand how dumb it is, but the point is moot. You sign a CONTRACT, and you agree to the terms when you enter into a school governed by the NCAA. If you can't abide by the rules, then don't sign the contract. If you sign it, don't bitch about having to pay for the consequences when you break the rules that you originally agreed to.
Dec 23, 2010 8:30pm
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Dec 23, 2010 8:32 PM
Of gimme a break. I played college baseball and I ate a shit ton of Ramen noodles and mac-n-cheese and lived to tell about it. They're 20 yr old kids, thats what kids eat. If they really want to have some money, then they can budget thier stipend money or work a part timer in the summer to save a little cash. Instead, they blow thier stipend on expensive clothes and shoes and who the hell knows what.
They signed on to play college football, they know they aren't getting paid to do it. It'd be like taking a job making $50,000 per year, then realizing your company could afford to pay you more, they make billions a year, so you start stealing property and cheating to get ahead. Hell, you knew up front the rules, now man up and follow them.
Dec 23, 2010 8:32pm
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Dec 23, 2010 8:32 PM
Didn't Pryor tweet "He a fake Buckeye" about Herbstreit? Wonder if that was before or after he sold all of his B10 rings and gold pants?
Dec 23, 2010 8:32pm
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Dec 23, 2010 8:35 PM
I'll just say the NCAA sucks. Selling a ring or gold pants before you even finish playing is blasphemy. Pryor is stupid. He is supposed to be a leader. Just when the Buckeye fans forget about Clarett, and Troy Smith accepting cash...TP is now a goat.
Dec 23, 2010 8:35pm
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Dec 23, 2010 8:42 PM
2kool4skool;612010 wrote:These guys make millions of dollars for the school and NCAA, and aren't even allowed to sell their own property without being suspended half a season.

I'll hand it to the NCAA, they've got quite the scheme going on. They've convinced everyone it's cool to gain hundreds of millions of dollars in profit and pay the people that give them those profits in "free education" they'll never need. And with the way they've hammered this tradition into the American Public's mind, the players are all but forced into this situation for 3 years if they ever want to play in the NFL.

Then, they convince everyone they're doing this for "the integrity of the game" and somehow take the moral high ground against the players. Bravo NCAA, bravo.

The players were stupid, but only because they didn't cover it up better. I don't blame any of them one bit for trying to play a system, that is built around playing them.
Except you're overlooking the fact that less than 10% of all FBS football players "never need" their education, meaning they play in the NFL. I'm pretty sure the other 90% of scholarship athletes at FBS schools are thanking their lucky stars when they graduate that they didn't have to pay 50-100K that normal kids have to pay to set them up for a future and a career. And that's not even counting FCS and Division II schools who offer scholarships, where a far SMALLER percentage than 10% ever make it to the NFL. On top of that, football is just one sport. So by common sense, the vast majority of kids participating in athletics on a full scholarship aren't making the university "boatloads" of money off of merchandise sales, marketing etc. It's only a few players. And you can't show partiality to a few players out of all your athletes on scholarship, just because they happen to be a top player in your school's most popular sport. NCAA rules are set up to make it fair and equal for every kid on scholarship, whether it's Terrelle Pryor or the last girl on the roster for OSU's women's lacross team, who nobody knows her name except for her family.
Dec 23, 2010 8:42pm
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Dec 23, 2010 8:50 PM
pinstriper;612051 wrote:Of gimme a break. I played college baseball and I ate a shit ton of Ramen noodles and mac-n-cheese and lived to tell about it.
No one said they'd die, but they generate millions of dollars off their play and name alone, and they're being paid "just enough" to get by. That's a situation that is bound to lead to frustration.
If they really want to have some money, then they can....work a part timer in the summer to save a little cash.
They'd be allowed to earn a maximum of $2,000 extra a year.
Instead, they blow thier stipend on expensive clothes and shoes and who the hell knows what.
How do we know this?
They signed on to play college football, they know they aren't getting paid to do it. It'd be like taking a job making $50,000 per year, then realizing your company could afford to pay you more, they make billions a year, so you start stealing property and cheating to get ahead. Hell, you knew up front the rules, now man up and follow them.
It'd be like only having one company to work for, and they were paying everyone the same amount of money, regardless of how much money they made the company. And that amount was close to minimum wage despite the billions in profit by said company every year.

Analogies to the real world are hard, because in no other situation is a person who generates so much money, paid so little. The difficulty in analogy, kind of proves the point of what a scam the NCAA is.
Dec 23, 2010 8:50pm
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Dec 23, 2010 8:55 PM
How do we know this? You have to be kidding me. I lived with all of these guys, maybe not these exact ones, but nothing changes around athletics. Everyone knows where their money is going. As far as $2000 extra per year, that's a ton of pizza and beer on top of their stipend money. They haven't earned the right to live like NFL players yet, they just feel entitled to it. That's their fault, no body elses. If they don't want to play by the rules, then they can just not go to college, and go work somewhere else out of high school. Don't defend the few morons who don't understand this concept, please. Everyone else, probably tens of thousands, of other student athletes across the country live by the rules and make it work.
Dec 23, 2010 8:55pm
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Dec 23, 2010 8:57 PM
Red_Skin_Pride;612058 wrote:Except you're overlooking the fact that less than 10% of all FBS football players "never need" their education, meaning they play in the NFL.
We're talking about big-name football players specifically. No one has said that all college athletes deserve compensation.
I'm pretty sure the other 90% of scholarship athletes at FBS schools are thanking their lucky stars when they graduate that they didn't have to pay 50-100K that normal kids have to pay to set them up for a future and a career.
Cool, then give the athlete a choice: free tuition, or a cut of their jersey sales. Fair?
On top of that, football is just one sport. So by common sense, the vast majority of kids participating in athletics on a full scholarship aren't making the university "boatloads" of money off of merchandise sales, marketing etc.
Correct, instead, the football players are expected to subsidize sports no one cares about.
And you can't show partiality to a few players out of all your athletes on scholarship,
Why?
NCAA rules are set up to make it fair and equal for every kid on scholarship, whether it's Terrelle Pryor or the last girl on the roster for OSU's women's lacross team, who nobody knows her name except for her family.
If you think THAT'S why the rules are set up the way they are by the NCAA, then I'm not sure what to tell you.
Dec 23, 2010 8:57pm
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Dec 23, 2010 8:59 PM
pinstriper;612076 wrote:They haven't earned the right to live like NFL players yet.

According to who? How about we allow anyone to enter the draft and if a team wants to pick them they can pick them? What would be unfair about that? Who stands to lose other than the NCAA?
Dec 23, 2010 8:59pm
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Dec 23, 2010 9:05 PM
2kool4skool;612081 wrote:We're talking about big-name football players specifically. No one has said that all college athletes deserve compensation.



Cool, then give the athlete a choice: free tuition, or a cut of their jersey sales. Fair?
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You're taking an isolated example and trying to apply it to everyone...you cannot do that. There are options for these kids if they don't want to go to college. They can go play in the arena league, or these other outdoor leagues out there. Yes, they wouldn't get the exposure they get from big time college football, wouldn't face the best competition, have the best coaching and contacts available...but they would be allowed to earn more than that $2000 per year. And they would be able to capitalize on their jersey sales.
If they want the exosure, the contacts, the coaching, then they have to play within the system that's set-up. Some people just understand the rules, and abide by them. Others feel entitled, and they struggle with rules. That's just how it is.
Dec 23, 2010 9:05pm
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Dec 23, 2010 9:20 PM
pinstriper;612097 wrote:There are options for these kids if they don't want to go to college.
That's true. Unfortunately, the NCAA and NFL have made these options, as a replacement for CFB, less than viable. It would be great if we simply had a U-22 NFL league, rather than mixing in education and sports, but that would lose a lot of folks in the NCAA a lot of money.
If they want the exosure, the contacts, the coaching, then they have to play within the system that's set-up.
And it's a system that is inherently asking to be manipulated.

I'll ask two questions again
- What would be unfair about giving an athlete a choice of having their tuition paid for, or an agreed upon % of their jerseys sold? Who would lose out here?

- Who would stand to lose from the NFL allowing teams to draft whoever they want? What would be unfair about this?

The answer to those two questions will give you an idea about the real motivations behind most NCAA legislation.
Dec 23, 2010 9:20pm