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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Dec 13, 2010 1:47am
Sorry Arizona, you have been pretty much eliminated from getting the first pick. Blame Jay Feely. Detroit will mess up somehow and win a game or two(including Favre's last game ever....)
This is excluding tie-breakers that would be taken into effect.
1 Carolina 1 12 (AZ, @Pitt, @Atl)
2 Cincinnati 2 11 (CLE,SD, @Bal)
3 Detroit 3 10 (@TB, @Mia, MIN)
4 Buffalo 3 10 (@Mia, NE, @NYJ)
5 Denver 3 10 (@Oak, HOU, SD)
6 Arizona 4 9 (@CAR, DAL, @SF)
7 Dallas 4 9 (WAS, @ARZ, @PHI)
8 San Francisco 5 8
9 Tennessee 5 8
10 Washington 5 8
11 Houston 5 7
12 Minnesota 5 7
13 Cleveland 5 8
14 New England from Oakland 6 7
15 Seattle 6 7
16 San Diego 7 6
17 Indianapolis 7 6
18 Miami 7 6
19 Tampa Bay 8 5
20 Green Bay 8 5
Pretty crazy that the 49ers are sitting at the 8th pick this week but could be tied for a playoff spot next week.
This is excluding tie-breakers that would be taken into effect.
1 Carolina 1 12 (AZ, @Pitt, @Atl)
2 Cincinnati 2 11 (CLE,SD, @Bal)
3 Detroit 3 10 (@TB, @Mia, MIN)
4 Buffalo 3 10 (@Mia, NE, @NYJ)
5 Denver 3 10 (@Oak, HOU, SD)
6 Arizona 4 9 (@CAR, DAL, @SF)
7 Dallas 4 9 (WAS, @ARZ, @PHI)
8 San Francisco 5 8
9 Tennessee 5 8
10 Washington 5 8
11 Houston 5 7
12 Minnesota 5 7
13 Cleveland 5 8
14 New England from Oakland 6 7
15 Seattle 6 7
16 San Diego 7 6
17 Indianapolis 7 6
18 Miami 7 6
19 Tampa Bay 8 5
20 Green Bay 8 5
Pretty crazy that the 49ers are sitting at the 8th pick this week but could be tied for a playoff spot next week.
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Sonofanump
Dec 13, 2010 9:19am
Andrew Luck will be a Panther baring a lock out next year.
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Nate
Posts: 3,949
Dec 13, 2010 10:16am
The NFC West is such a joke.
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Dec 13, 2010 11:35am
Sonofanump;598868 wrote:Andrew Luck will be a Panther baring a lock out next year.
Didn't carolina pick clausen and pike last draft? Taking another qb would be dumb.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 13, 2010 11:36am
No, passing up on a franchise QB because you have Clausen and Pike would be dumb.
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Sonofanump
Dec 13, 2010 11:42am
Luck > Moore, Claussen, Pike. They will trade one of them for a draft round pick.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 13, 2010 11:48am
Luck is the first QB I've really liked in the draft and thought would be awesome since Phillip Rivers. I think he's legit.
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Sonofanump
Dec 13, 2010 11:48am
I could see Arizona or San Fran taking Newton at those spots.
Maybe Mallett to Minnesota at #12.
Maybe Mallett to Minnesota at #12.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Dec 13, 2010 11:56am
I'm really interested to see where Mallett and Newton go. I seem to be in the minority, but I think Mallett will be an absolute stud in the NFL. As for Newton, his individual workouts will be telling to a lot of teams. It will be in those private workouts where teams will determine if they think he does in fact have the arm strength and can make all the throws.
Also will be interesting to see where Locker goes. Dude was a top 5 pick last year (still don't understand how) and now I don't know how far he drops. I think he really has to prove something against Nebraska in the Bowl Game.
Also will be interesting to see where Locker goes. Dude was a top 5 pick last year (still don't understand how) and now I don't know how far he drops. I think he really has to prove something against Nebraska in the Bowl Game.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 13, 2010 11:59am
Locker really has hurt himself and cost himself a lot of dough by staying in college. I know some scouts had him pegged as the number 1 overall pick. Screwed himself much like Leinhart did.
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HeathAlum21
Posts: 363
Dec 13, 2010 12:03pm
I think Locker will be fine. He has all of the measurable qualities and by all accounts is a great Locker-room (So punny) guy and leader. I think his stock will skyrocket to within a few picks of where he was before the season, possibly between Luck and Mallet.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Dec 13, 2010 12:09pm
HeathAlum21;599146 wrote:I think Locker will be fine. He has all of the measurable qualities and by all accounts is a great Locker-room (So punny) guy and leader. I think his stock will skyrocket to within a few picks of where he was before the season, possibly between Luck and Mallet.
Does he have the accuracy?
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HeathAlum21
Posts: 363
Dec 13, 2010 12:38pm
I don't think his accuracy is all that bad. He has the the arm, smarts, leadership ability, and other intangibles that NFL teams want in an NFL QB. He had an awful year, and will likely not be in the top five because of it. When he does well at the combine, aces interviews, and does well on the wonderlic, he is once again contending with Ryan Mallet for a spot in the top ten to fifteen range.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Dec 13, 2010 12:53pm
HeathAlum21;599237 wrote:I don't think his accuracy is all that bad. He has the the arm, smarts, leadership ability, and other intangibles that NFL teams want in an NFL QB. He had an awful year, and will likely not be in the top five because of it. When he does well at the combine, aces interviews, and does well on the wonderlic, he is once again contending with Ryan Mallet for a spot in the top ten to fifteen range.
If he is all that, how can you explain his poor play this year?
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HeathAlum21
Posts: 363
Dec 13, 2010 12:58pm
An incredibly bad team certainly helped that along. But what part of my post can you disagree with? He certainly has an arm by all accounts and I have heard about his leadership and intangibles for two plus years now. The combine will allow him to showcase his arm and I simply cannot see him doing poorly in interviews and on the Wonderlic. We are not discussing how good we think Locker is, but only how I believe he will shoot to the top of the board after the process is underway.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Dec 13, 2010 1:02pm
He might have all the tools. However I would disagree with the intangibles. The main intangible I would look at is being able to elevate the play of others around you. He didn't do that.
And there are plenty of guys who have the tools that can't put it all together and therefore are unsuccessful. First guy that comes to mind is Derek Anderson, but there are plenty of guys that fit.
And there are plenty of guys who have the tools that can't put it all together and therefore are unsuccessful. First guy that comes to mind is Derek Anderson, but there are plenty of guys that fit.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Dec 13, 2010 1:04pm
Sonofanump;599111 wrote:I could see Arizona or San Fran taking Newton at those spots.
Maybe Mallett to Minnesota at #12.
No way does Arizona take Newton over Mallett. Mallett is a perfect fit for the Arizona system.
Also, I've never been one bit impressed w/ Locker. I guess I just don't see what others see in him.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 13, 2010 1:06pm
John Elway had a losing record in college, just saying. He didn't "elevate" those around him, nor did Jay Cutler. Sometimes blanket statements don't apply. On the opposite side you could look at Ken Dorsey, only lost 2 games in college including a National Championship. He couldn't elevate those around him in the NFL though.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 13, 2010 1:06pm
se-alum;599289 wrote:No way does Arizona take Newton over Mallett. Mallett is a perfect fit for the Arizona system.
Kurt Warner says otherwise.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Dec 13, 2010 1:08pm
???Commander of Awesome;599298 wrote:Kurt Warner says otherwise.
I'm assuming Kurt Warner said in an article that he prefers Newton??
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 13, 2010 1:10pm
se-alum;599301 wrote:???
I'm assuming Kurt Warner said in an article that he prefers Newton??
No Kurt Warner is the opposite of Mallet. Smart, accurate, takes care of the football, doesn't have a rocket arm etc....Mallet is basically DA.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Dec 13, 2010 1:14pm
I see what you're saying, still doesn't change the fact that Mallett is well suited for the Cardinals style of play.Commander of Awesome;599305 wrote:No Kurt Warner is the opposite of Mallet. Smart, accurate, takes care of the football, doesn't have a rocket arm etc....Mallet is basically DA.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Dec 13, 2010 1:14pm
Commander of Awesome;599296 wrote:John Elway had a losing record in college, just saying. He didn't "elevate" those around him, nor did Jay Cutler. Sometimes blanket statements don't apply. On the opposite side you could look at Ken Dorsey, only lost 2 games in college including a National Championship. He couldn't elevate those around him in the NFL though.
Agree that there are always exceptions to every rule, but it's difficult for me to assume Locker fits that.
Cutler is a good example, however.
As for Dorsey, he doesn't have "all the tools" that we are discussing.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Dec 13, 2010 1:41pm
thedynasty1998;599282 wrote: And there are plenty of guys who have the tools that can't put it all together and therefore are unsuccessful. First guy that comes to mind is Derek Anderson, but there are plenty of guys that fit.
Ryan Mallett is wayyy more comparable to Derek Anderson (strong arm, accuracy issues (much improved this year but still prone to make bad throws when pressured), maturity issues, lack of mobility) than Locker is.
And Washington is a 3 win team at best without Locker. With him they're going to a bowl game.
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Dec 13, 2010 2:12pm
Commander of Awesome;599092 wrote:No, passing up on a franchise QB because you have Clausen and Pike would be dumb.
Sonofanump;599101 wrote:Luck > Moore, Claussen, Pike. They will trade one of them for a draft round pick.
Drafting a franchise QB without other pieces isn't smart either.
I don't know too much about Carolina, only watched them once, but do they have the other pieces to protect and keep pressure off a franchise QB? They have Williams, Stewart, and Smith, but what else do they have?(serious question)