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Nov 5, 2010 2:31 PM
that's retarded
Nov 5, 2010 2:31pm
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Con_Alma

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Nov 5, 2010 2:33 PM
At some point an attitude of deterrence mightl come into play with these judgments. If that does occur I hope its shocking the degree it will take.
Nov 5, 2010 2:33pm
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Nov 5, 2010 2:33 PM
I will say this... if she is sharing the songs, then that would be a tough one, b/c there is no telling how many different people downloaded them from her. But... if a person is ONLY downloading, I would hope they wouldn't get hit with that asinine amount.
Nov 5, 2010 2:33pm
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Nov 5, 2010 2:35 PM
Con_Alma;545871 wrote:At some point an attitude of deterrence mightl come into play with these judgments. If that does occur I hope its shocking the degree it will take.

I honestly don't see it. Because it is so easy to download, I just don't see the act stopping.
Nov 5, 2010 2:35pm
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Nov 5, 2010 2:36 PM
You don't see shocking degrees of judgments because the crime is so easy to carry out???

I'm not sure I understand your post.
Nov 5, 2010 2:36pm
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Nov 5, 2010 2:44 PM
Con_Alma;545874 wrote:You don't see shocking degrees of judgments because the crime is so easy to carry out???

I'm not sure I understand your post.

Perhaps I didn't understand your first one, then. Dumb it down for the lay person, lol. I don't see downloading stopping, regardless of the penalty.
Nov 5, 2010 2:44pm
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Nov 5, 2010 2:48 PM
Ahh. I understand better now.

There are brighter minds than mine that can determine how to stop this. I think it can be done if that's truly the goal.

It just seems silly to me that simply because a theft is "easy" to carry out it is somehow justifiable.
Nov 5, 2010 2:48pm
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Nov 5, 2010 2:49 PM
Con_Alma;545887 wrote:Ahh. I understand better now.

There are brighter minds than mine that can determine how to stop this. I think it can be done if that's truly the goal.

It just seems silly to me that simply because a theft is "easy" to carry out it is somehow justifiable.

I just think the penalty is asinine. $1.5 million for 24 songs!?
Nov 5, 2010 2:49pm
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Nov 5, 2010 2:52 PM
At that rate my penalty would be a cool $174,937,500. I guess I had get a second and third job.
Nov 5, 2010 2:52pm
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Con_Alma

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Nov 5, 2010 2:53 PM
Is a $25,000 penalty for her actions more reasonable in your mind?
Nov 5, 2010 2:53pm
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Nov 5, 2010 2:55 PM
Con_Alma;545892 wrote:Is a $25,000 penalty for her actions more reasonable in your mind?

not in mine
Nov 5, 2010 2:55pm
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Nov 5, 2010 2:56 PM
Con_Alma;545892 wrote:Is a $25,000 penalty for her actions more reasonable in your mind?

Yes. Make it something that can actually be paid, garnished, etc. $1.5 million is something that almost every single American would pay on for the rest of their lives. What happens when they die, too? Kids get the debt?
Nov 5, 2010 2:56pm
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Nov 5, 2010 2:57 PM
FatHobbit;545895 wrote:not in mine

What do you think is reasonable? If it is just downloading, then I honestly don't see much more than the cost of the song and possibly legal fees.
Nov 5, 2010 2:57pm
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Nov 5, 2010 2:57 PM
She didn't think so either after declining such an offer with an admission of guilt. It appears that's when the RIAA dug in it's heels.
Nov 5, 2010 2:57pm
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Nov 5, 2010 2:58 PM
ernest_t_bass;545898 wrote:What do you think is reasonable? If it is just downloading, then I honestly don't see much more than the cost of the song and possibly legal fees.

I would think no more so than if she stole the cd from a store.
Nov 5, 2010 2:58pm
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Nov 5, 2010 3:00 PM
FatHobbit;545904 wrote:I would think no more so than if she stole the cd from a store.

Her redistributing, however... there is no telling how many OTHER people downloaded those.
Nov 5, 2010 3:00pm
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Nov 5, 2010 3:00 PM
ernest_t_bass;545898 wrote:What do you think is reasonable? If it is just downloading, then I honestly don't see much more than the cost of the song and possibly legal fees.

I would say at least some sort of accountability for her illegal actions which it appears she's not yet willing to provide according to the article.
Nov 5, 2010 3:00pm
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Nov 5, 2010 3:00 PM
Con_Alma;545900 wrote:She didn't think so either after declining such an offer with an admission of guilt. It appears that's when the RIAA dug in it's heels.

I think her argument is that she didn't download the songs. Someone else used her computer to do it. (I may have this confused with someone else.) If that's the case, this is comparable to someone borrowing my car and then breaking the law. (at least in my mind) Just because they used my car doesn't make me responsible for it. I certainly wouldn't pay $25,000 for it.
Nov 5, 2010 3:00pm
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Nov 5, 2010 3:02 PM
*Correction it is in the article.

My opinions were based on her downloading the songs and what an appropriate penalty might be.
Nov 5, 2010 3:02pm
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Nov 5, 2010 3:04 PM
from the article
Rasset maintained she wasn't the computer user who did the file sharing,
Sounds like she says she isn't the one sharing, and also seems that she (or someone) was actually sharing them. (It wasn't just downloading that they are after)
Nov 5, 2010 3:04pm
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Nov 5, 2010 3:04 PM
It appears that, including this most recent appeal and trial, this is the third jury to find her guilty!!
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Nov 5, 2010 3:08 PM
Con_Alma;545887 wrote:Ahh. I understand better now.

There are brighter minds than mine that can determine how to stop this. I think it can be done if that's truly the goal.

It just seems silly to me that simply because a theft is "easy" to carry out it is somehow justifiable.

I don't know that it is justifiable, though I have mixed feelings...but when someone is downloading songs they aren't thinking, "damn, if I do this enough I could have to pay $1.5 million like that bitch (from wherever)." No different than any crime really. If a murderer stopped to think, "damn, I could get the death penalty for this", he/she might not murder someone. I don't think any extremely harsh punishments necessarily deter the crime, whether the punishment is appropriate or not.

As for downloading, I get the artist's perspective I suppose. And I wonder, was it illegal all along when I was recording songs from the radio onto cassette tapes? Or burning cds from cds my friends owned? Even if I bought a cd and let someone borrow it...I'm not profiting off of it, so it is hard for me to think its wrong.
Nov 5, 2010 3:08pm
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Nov 5, 2010 3:14 PM
oh, I agree that deterrent judgments are not always effective in eliminating acts.

I do believe, however, that there are people out there that know it is theft and still choose to do it. There should be penalties in place.

Since this is still relatively early in this game of prosecuting these specific crimes some landmark, notable judgments would go a long way in the continuous effort to publicize the fact that it is illegal and if you do this there will be a penalty to pay.
Nov 5, 2010 3:14pm
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Nov 5, 2010 3:19 PM
I think, if I were under judgement, I would purposely go steal a CD from a store. Then ask them if I should be charged the same, for stealing the same music.
Nov 5, 2010 3:19pm