gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
Sep 21, 2010 5:18pm
Lots of talk around Carmelo these days. Who comes out on top in this rumored offer?
New Jersey gets: Carmelo Anthony
Denver gets: Derrick Favors, a future 1st round pick, and expiring contracts of Kris Humphries and Troy Murphy
New Jersey gets: Carmelo Anthony
Denver gets: Derrick Favors, a future 1st round pick, and expiring contracts of Kris Humphries and Troy Murphy
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Sep 21, 2010 5:29pm
Nets easily come out on top. Melo is a top 5 player in the league.
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gport_tennis
Posts: 1,796
Sep 21, 2010 5:34pm
Melo is a top 5 offensive player. He is a very poor defender. Imo he is not a top 5 player overall
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bigdaddy2003
Posts: 7,384
Sep 21, 2010 5:34pm
Nets easily.
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georgemc80
Posts: 983
Sep 21, 2010 5:35pm
Actually I would say the Rockets are in the driver seat for Carmelo...
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Sep 21, 2010 5:37pm
Denver. Carmelo was going to leave either way, now Denver gets 2 first rounders and expiring contracts to rebuild their team. How many wins will the nets have with Carmelo? I say somewhere in the 30s.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Sep 21, 2010 7:33pm
gport_tennis;492447 wrote:Melo is a top 5 offensive player. He is a very poor defender. Imo he is not a top 5 player overall
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I take it you've watched a lot of their games...or are you just going by what the talking heads on ESPN and TNT tell you?
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Sep 21, 2010 8:11pm
The trade easily favors the Nets (obviously). But I respect that the Nuggets are taking the initiative here. This GM has a serious set of stones. However, look at it from their perspective, he isn't re-signing and when he walks you don't get anything but a ticked off, butt-hurt fanbase (look at Cleveland). By trading him before he leaves they can get cap space, a promising lottery draft pick (Favors) and a future 1st rounder. This would put them in a much better position than Cleveland who is in no-mans land. You know the Nuggets are going to lose a ton of games if they trade Anthony, so on top of what they get from the Nets they can also have their own lottery guy and ideally rebuild in a year or two
2quik4u
Posts: 4,388
Sep 21, 2010 8:52pm
so what happens when melo doesn't resign with the nets next year, who wins the trade then?
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
Sep 21, 2010 10:12pm
I forget who on ATH today said Melo wasn't a franchise player...think it was Bill Plasche.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Sep 21, 2010 10:26pm
Carmelo is the most underrated player in the NBA. Guy is an elite player, but doesn't get talked about normally when you discuss the top players in the league. The Nets obviously are the winner in this deal, as top 5 players in the NBA are not something that are easy to come by.
With that said, Denver absolutely takes this deal. They get Favors who has a ton of promise and some cap space to rebuild.
With that said, Denver absolutely takes this deal. They get Favors who has a ton of promise and some cap space to rebuild.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Sep 21, 2010 10:38pm
In no way, shape or form is this anywhere comparable to the Cleveland situation.jordo212000;492605 wrote:The trade easily favors the Nets (obviously). But I respect that the Nuggets are taking the initiative here. This GM has a serious set of stones. However, look at it from their perspective, he isn't re-signing and when he walks you don't get anything but a ticked off, butt-hurt fanbase (look at Cleveland). By trading him before he leaves they can get cap space, a promising lottery draft pick (Favors) and a future 1st rounder. This would put them in a much better position than Cleveland who is in no-mans land. You know the Nuggets are going to lose a ton of games if they trade Anthony, so on top of what they get from the Nets they can also have their own lottery guy and ideally rebuild in a year or two
The Nets come out on top...for the time being. Favors is unproven, and you never know if the future 1st rounder will work out.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Sep 21, 2010 11:21pm
Nuggets. I don't buy Melo as being a top 5 player in the league, and especially if Melo doesn't resign, the Nuggets are going to get good picks + Favors. Melo will be a knick, bank it.
bigdaddy2003
Posts: 7,384
Sep 22, 2010 12:17am
friendfromlowry;492846 wrote:I forget who on ATH today said Melo wasn't a franchise player...think it was Bill Plasche.
Yes, I believe you are right.
Trueblue23
Posts: 7,463
Sep 22, 2010 12:23am
Yea, any team would be stupid to trade for Mello without it being a sign and trade, with Melo signing the extension.
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Sep 22, 2010 9:13am
thedynasty1998;492866 wrote:Carmelo is the most underrated player in the NBA. Guy is an elite player, but doesn't get talked about normally when you discuss the top players in the league. The Nets obviously are the winner in this deal, as top 5 players in the NBA are not something that are easy to come by.
Co-sign.
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norwalk
Posts: 158
Sep 22, 2010 9:47am
You win with stars so it's a start for New Jersey to get into the serious playoff discussions with a few more moves. Obvisously Denver is going to lose Melo anyway so you need to get picks and cap space to build.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 22, 2010 11:02am
Anyone who thinks Melo isn't a top 5 talent in the league is crazy.
He's the only player I've seen that can somewhat neutralize Lebron when they play (obviously a couple exceptions to this).
He's the only player I've seen that can somewhat neutralize Lebron when they play (obviously a couple exceptions to this).
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Sep 22, 2010 12:30pm
se-alum;492880 wrote:In no way, shape or form is this anywhere comparable to the Cleveland situation.
Sure it is. You have a free agent to be who could potentially leave Denver (or Cleveland) and his former team could possibly be left holding the bag. There is no way Cleveland was going to trade Lebron. Denver didn't want to trade Anthony either, but they probably see what is happening in Cleveland and would much rather control their own destiny.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 22, 2010 12:33pm
jordo212000;493320 wrote:Sure it is. You have a free agent to be who could potentially leave Denver (or Cleveland) and his former team could possibly be left holding the bag. There is no way Cleveland was going to trade Lebron. Denver didn't want to trade Anthony either, but they probably see what is happening in Cleveland and would much rather control their own destiny.
Both of you are wrong.
It's slightly comparable but not really. The only comparison is that both teams could lose their superstars.
In Denver, it's pretty apparent that Melo is on his way out, and it's public as well.
In Cleveland, everyone thought (or assumed) Lebron would eventually stay, and even if people didn't, it was kept very private.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Sep 22, 2010 12:37pm
If Carmelo is going to leave regardless, then the Nets get the better end of the deal. Favors + a furture 1st is pretty sick compensation for Melo.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Sep 22, 2010 12:42pm
lhslep134;493323 wrote: In Cleveland, everyone thought (or assumed) Lebron would eventually stay, and even if people didn't, it was kept very private.
Not entirely true
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Sep 22, 2010 12:44pm
Commander of Awesome;493327 wrote:If Carmelo is going to leave regardless, then the Nets get the better end of the deal. Favors + a furture 1st is pretty sick compensation for Melo.
No doubt that is pretty good compensation, but who knows how good Favors is, and that 1st round pick is probably going to be a late 1st rounder. The expiring contracts are definitely the kicker
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Sep 22, 2010 12:50pm
The Lebron comparisons are not way off, but they are far off enough that they need to be kept in perspective. First off, Lebron is the #1 player in the NBA, not an arguably top 5 talent. Secondly, Lebron was playing for his hometown team, where there are stronger emotional ties both from Lebron and ownership. With that said, there is absolutely no way Cleveland could have traded Lebron due to fan support and being a serious championship contender for at least the one year left on his deal.
Carmelo is gone, there is not that emotional attachment and Denver isn't winning the championship if they keep him for another year.
Carmelo is gone, there is not that emotional attachment and Denver isn't winning the championship if they keep him for another year.
gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
Sep 22, 2010 12:54pm
I'd think the Nugs would get a mid-1st rounder from the Nets if it's next season. Even with Melo, it's not like NJ will be better than Miami, Boston, Orlando, probably Atlanta in the East, or better than LA, Dallas, Utah, maybe even OKC in the West.