Wow what a patheic conference. North Carolina with a full roster should run the table.

The ACC is a joke. The Big East is a joke. And auto bids are a joke.

Mulva;480208 wrote:And auto bids are a joke.

+1

What the fuck does stay classy even mean. Everyone has their own definition and they are all equally dumb.

CinciX12;480400 wrote:What the fuck does stay classy even mean. Everyone has their own definition and they are all equally dumb.

Well when all of their ranked teams lose on the same day thats embarrassing.

No, its dumb when someone says such and such has 'class', this guy is 'classless'. Its retarded. How about, I simply do not agree with what they are doing?

I've said for years the Big East gets all the heat for being the worst BCS conference but the fact of the matter is the ACC has had a worse OOC record and everyone always turns a blind eye. Every year their are ACC teams who lose to FCS programs and have other bad losses. The Big East has won in the head to head match ups with them as well. I think a major reason for this is that ESPN has had a love affair for the conference in all sports that has existed since the beginning of time. We all know about Dukie V. for basketball but exists in football as well. If I had a dollar for every time Clemson, Virginia Tech or North Carolina was supposed to do anything only to fall on their face I'd be a very rich man.

I will also also point out that outside of USC the P10 is horrible as well. They consistently get beat by WAC and MWC in OOC games and the past few years they have been very unsuccessful in their bowl games.

The truth is when it comes to conferences it goes like this:

SEC

tie: Big 10, Big 12




tie: ACC, Big East, P10

ccrunner609;480129 wrote:I love stay classy threads.

We know. You're usually the only person who starts them.

And the ACC looked awful today! Miami, Virginia Tech, Florida State, and Georgia Tech all got beat. It's never good when four of your five best teams all lose on the same day.

Little Danny;480542 wrote:I've said for years the Big East gets all the heat for being the worst BCS conference but the fact of the matter is the ACC has had a worse OOC record and everyone always turns a blind eye. Every year their are ACC teams who lose to FCS programs and have other bad losses. The Big East has won in the head to head match ups with them as well. I think a major reason for this is that ESPN has had a love affair for the conference in all sports that has existed since the beginning of time. We all know about Dukie V. for basketball but exists in football as well. If I had a dollar for every time Clemson, Virginia Tech or North Carolina was supposed to do anything only to fall on their face I'd be a very rich man.

I will also also point out that outside of USC the P10 is horrible as well. They consistently get beat by WAC and MWC in OOC games and the past few years they have been very unsuccessful in their bowl games.

The truth is when it comes to conferences it goes like this:

SEC

tie: Big 10, Big 12




tie: ACC, Big East, P10

I have a feeling that with the addition of Nebraska and the fact that the big12 loses them...it will cement the big10 as the #2 conference uncontested

^^^ I agree. I was only speaking of the current makeups of the conference and what they have done the past few years. I think the B12 will take a major hit at depth when they go to 10 and it will be more of a two team conference than it currently is already (Texas, Oklahoma).

Emmett Brown;480422 wrote:Well when all of their ranked teams lose on the same day thats embarrassing.

That's not staying classy, that's staying shitty

Little Danny;480542 wrote: The truth is when it comes to conferences it goes like this:

SEC

tie: Big 10, Big 12




tie: ACC, Big East, P10

I'll take-
SEC
Big 10
Big 12
Pac 10 (Cal & Oregon make them better than the conferences below)
Big East
ACC

Always take ACC over Big East. Just because FSU and VT epically failed, and Miami did OK (i mean they didn't get blown out of the water), doesn't mean everyone in the conference is terrible. It just looks bad because ESPN built these teams up on really nothing (FSU had no defense last year, and apparently that is true this year too). Football is so cyclical, we will see how the rest of the year goes.

Fuck, i just hope it means we can actually win the damn conference this year. In 20 years I will look up and remember the championship, not the perceived strength and weakness of the conference.

BTW, the Stay classy bit of this thread title makes no sense at all.

When a conference has no Nat title contenders it is definitely weak, and the ACC is weak for sure. But there are still some undefeated teams in the conference, so we will see where they end up.

ohiotiger33;481277 wrote:Always take ACC over Big East. Just because FSU and VT epically failed, and Miami did OK (i mean they didn't get blown out of the water), doesn't mean everyone in the conference is terrible. It just looks bad because ESPN built these teams up on really nothing (FSU had no defense last year, and apparently that is true this year too). Football is so cyclical, we will see how the rest of the year goes.

Fuck, i just hope it means we can actually win the damn conference this year. In 20 years I will look up and remember the championship, not the perceived strength and weakness of the conference.

BTW, the Stay classy bit of this thread title makes no sense at all.

When a conference has no Nat title contenders it is definitely weak, and the ACC is weak for sure. But there are still some undefeated teams in the conference, so we will see where they end up.

Miami was owned yesterday. Ohio State wins that game 98/100 times, they were clearly the superior team.

I'm borrowing something put together by a guy on the Big East board. It is pretty interesting looking at how the conferences have fared against BCS opponents thus far. Here is his ranking and methodology. ACC and BE are clearly at the bottom.

.......................................This week..............................Season
Conference.............Wins..................Losses...................Record

Big 12........................KAN, OK...............COL.........................5-2
SEC...........................FL,AL...............TEN.............................4-3
Big 10........................UM,OS.............. PS,MIN.......................4-4
Pac 10.......................CAL, WA,OR,USC .....0......................... 4-4
Big East......................0.......................USF, SYR...................0-6
ACC...........................0.......................VT,GT,FSU,VA,MI........0-7


METHOD:
In comparing the BCS* conferences, i count 4 kinds of results:

1) Out of conference wins against BCS conference opponents

2) wins against non-BCS conference opponents, if ranked in top 35 (top 25 and the first 10 teams listed in “others receiving votes” category) in either the AP or Coaches poll** at time of game

3) losses against anyone outside of the conference

4) Notre Dame counts as a BCS conference opponent, ranked in the top 35 or not

Note that this method is restrictive with respect to wins: the goal is to screen out gimme wins against obvious basket-case competition. E.g., by my reckoning, the ACC was 0-2 during opening week, even though their actual record was 10-2. But, those 10 wins came against opponents such as Richmond, Elon, Western Carolina, Weber State, North Texas, and Samford, which IMO tell us nothing about the strength of the conference.

Bottom line is that in my method, if you schedule patsies, it can ONLY harm your conference (like Kansas losing to ND-State and Ole Miss losing to Jax-State), you get NO win-credit for it.

* Yeah i know, all the FBS conferences are "BCS" conferences. But, here the term refers only to those six conferences with an automatic BCS bowl berth for their champion.
** This represents a change from last year, when I only counted wins against non-BCS teams if ranked in the top 25. That seems a bit too restrictive to me.

By the way there are two ACC/BE head to head match ups this upcoming week: WVU vs. Maryland and UC at NC State.

Oddly enough, I like Maryland in the WVU game.
Maryland's QB, Robinson is pretty good and the Maryland defense is not half bad.

The game is in Morgantown, but I can see Maryland keeping it close and pulling out a win.

In my view, the ACC is just a hair better than the BE, but both are really bad compared to the other major conferences.

^^ I can agree. The good news is the competition within the conference should at least be exciting, as the offenses seem pretty good.

I know Miami got owned and only lost by what, 12? So if they play a bit better and osu a bit worse, maybe it is even closer? OSU is a great, great home team. Nobody can deny that.

ohiotiger33;481926 wrote:^^ I can agree. The good news is the competition within the conference should at least be exciting, as the offenses seem pretty good.

I know Miami got owned and only lost by what, 12? So if they play a bit better and osu a bit worse, maybe it is even closer? OSU is a great, great home team. Nobody can deny that.

They lost by 12...I know it didnt happen and am not trying to make excuses but it SHOULD have been a lot worse. Plus Tressel showed class at the end of the game and kneeled it at Miami's 2. We could have scored again

Sonofanump;480813 wrote:I'll take-
SEC
Big 10
Big 12
Pac 10 (Cal & Oregon make them better than the conferences below)
Big East
ACC

I'd throw Stanford in there too for the Pac Ten.

ohiotiger33;481277 wrote:Always take ACC over Big East. Just because FSU and VT epically failed, and Miami did OK (i mean they didn't get blown out of the water), doesn't mean everyone in the conference is terrible. It just looks bad because ESPN built these teams up on really nothing (FSU had no defense last year, and apparently that is true this year too). Football is so cyclical, we will see how the rest of the year goes.

Fuck, i just hope it means we can actually win the damn conference this year. In 20 years I will look up and remember the championship, not the perceived strength and weakness of the conference.

BTW, the Stay classy bit of this thread title makes no sense at all.

When a conference has no Nat title contenders it is definitely weak, and the ACC is weak for sure. But there are still some undefeated teams in the conference, so we will see where they end up.

ohiotiger33;481926 wrote:^^ I can agree. The good news is the competition within the conference should at least be exciting, as the offenses seem pretty good.

I know Miami got owned and only lost by what, 12? So if they play a bit better and osu a bit worse, maybe it is even closer? OSU is a great, great home team. Nobody can deny that.

Yes, Miami lost by 12, but they were totally dominated and were clearly not as good as the Buckeyes. Did you watch the game? Miami's ST's made the score close, but there offense only put up 10 points. OSU could have put up 45-50 points on Miami. Miami's offense couldn't put half that on OSU. The score was much closer than the game.

I love people that make the ST excuse. The ST plays did happen. You know Miami might not have thrown 4 picks too, they threw 2 in scoring position-- Yes, I watched the entire second half. OSU was the better team (as they were supposed to be by almost 10 points, and just beat the spread). Miami was not crushed like FSU was, and believe me, I am not sticking up for Miami, I hate them and would be happy if they never won another game.

ohiotiger33;482120 wrote:I love people that make the ST excuse. The ST plays did happen. You know Miami might not have thrown 4 picks too, they threw 2 in scoring position-- Yes, I watched the entire second half. OSU was the better team (as they were supposed to be by almost 10 points, and just beat the spread). Miami was not crushed like FSU was, and believe me, I am not sticking up for Miami, I hate them and would be happy if they never won another game.

No, Miami was not crushed like FSU, but Miami is MUCH better than FSU. Ok, the ST plays did happen, OSU was still much better than a 12 point victory over Miami. Any knowledgable football fan could see that. Give us Bob Stoops and we may have beaten Miami as badly as OK beat FSU. Tressel doesn't open the playbook up if he doesn't have to. He was settling for FG's because he knew Miami's offense couldn't score enough on OSU's defense.

This game was 36-24, but it was played like it was 43-17. Miami looked terrible on both sides of the ball, they only looked good on ST.

I saw two picks in the red zone for Miami. So that is 14 possible points. Not taking credit from OSU, and not saying that they weren't the better team by any means. But when people say, OSU could have killed Miami even worse, you have to take the other side to. You have to have watched Miami the last few years to really get it. They have been so Jekyll and Hyde. It basically depends on whether or not they throw picks or not. But when they don't the rest of the team plays better.

ohiotiger33;483074 wrote: .It basically depends on whether or not they throw picks or not. But when they don't the rest of the team plays better.

I'd say this goes for pretty much every team in the country, don't you?

Both of you are right lol.
OSU played solid defense, but made the plays when it counted and forced Miami to make mistakes. That is what good teams do, force mistakes and capitalize on them. Miami did move the ball through the air in some spots. But, they had no running game at all during the game. OSU's front 4 dominated the line. But, Miami did exploit some holes in the OSU secondary.

Also, Miami made some nice plays on defense to slow down the Buckeyes in spots, getting pressure on Pryor to force him into bad throws. Pryor's talent did come through, but he wasn't stellar and it was Miami's defensive ends that deserve some credit for that. Miami's secondary wasn't awful, just spotty. Although, OSU did make some dumb penalties too, especially in the red zone.

It could have been worse yes, but it wasn't. It was the way it should be, spread was 9.5.