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Sep 1, 2010 2:05 PM
So it's official, the divisions are out....

1st Division:
Michigan
Nebraska
Sparty
Minnesota
Northwestern
Iowa

2nd Division:
Ohio State
Wisconsin
Illinois
Purdue
Indiana
Penn St.

Maybe it's just me, but the "2nd Division" is a MUCH, MUCH better basketball draw than the "1st Division."
Sep 1, 2010 2:05pm
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Sep 1, 2010 2:47 PM
wildcats20;468255 wrote:So it's official, the divisions are out....

1st Division:
Michigan
Nebraska
Sparty
Minnesota
Northwestern
Iowa

2nd Division:
Ohio State
Wisconsin
Illinois
Purdue
Indiana
Penn St.

Maybe it's just me, but the "2nd Division" is a MUCH, MUCH better basketball draw than the "1st Division."

Better for who? :)
Sep 1, 2010 2:47pm
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Sep 1, 2010 2:52 PM
will the divisions achieve names?
Sep 1, 2010 2:52pm
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Sep 1, 2010 3:31 PM
Is this official for basketball as well or just football. Frankly, if thats the divisions for basketball its a joke. Michigan State will walk to the #1 seed every year.
Sep 1, 2010 3:31pm
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Sep 1, 2010 3:45 PM
How ignorant are people on here?

There are no divisions for basketball. Ken Gordon and Tim May have driven this point home like 20 times through articles and twitter. All divisions are strictly used for football.


The only thing they could possibly use divisions for in basketball is for scheduling, not for anything competitively though.

In the ACC, they have each team has 2 permanent (protected) home and away series, and then have a rotating 9 team schedule.
Sep 1, 2010 3:45pm
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Sep 1, 2010 3:45 PM
I hope they don't use these divisions or divisions at all for basketball...
Sep 1, 2010 3:45pm
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Sep 1, 2010 6:04 PM
lhslep134;468465 wrote:There are no divisions for basketball. Ken Gordon and Tim May have driven this point home like 20 times through articles and twitter. All divisions are strictly used for football.


The only thing they could possibly use divisions for in basketball is for scheduling, not for anything competitively though.

That would make divisions in basketball......

They will play 2 games against every team in their division and 1 game against each team from the other division.
Sep 1, 2010 6:04pm
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Sep 1, 2010 6:41 PM
lhslep134;468465 wrote:How ignorant are people on here?

There are no divisions for basketball. Ken Gordon and Tim May have driven this point home like 20 times through articles and twitter. All divisions are strictly used for football.


The only thing they could possibly use divisions for in basketball is for scheduling, not for anything competitively though.

In the ACC, they have each team has 2 permanent (protected) home and away series, and then have a rotating 9 team schedule.

Agree...I have heard nor read anything at all about basketball being split. I don't believe this football split has anything to do with bball.
Sep 1, 2010 6:41pm
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Sep 1, 2010 6:47 PM
wildcats20;468255 wrote:So it's official, the divisions are out....

1st Division:
Michigan
Nebraska
Sparty
Minnesota
Northwestern
Iowa

2nd Division:
Ohio State
Wisconsin
Illinois
Purdue
Indiana
Penn St.

Maybe it's just me, but the "2nd Division" is a MUCH, MUCH better basketball draw than the "1st Division."

Actually, its NOT OFFICIAL as they aren't even going to announce the alignment until 7pm tonite. Not sure where you got this. But nothing is even out at this point. Not for another 15 min. And again, this is about football and doesnt' pertain to basketball.
Sep 1, 2010 6:47pm
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Sep 1, 2010 6:54 PM
In men's basketball, according to sources, the Big Ten could play a 16-game conference schedule by taking a model similar to those used by the Big 12 and Southeastern conferences. In those leagues, teams play each division opponent twice and then single games -- three at home and three on the road -- against teams in the opposing division.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5519832

So yes, it's not OFFICIAL, but it's "official".
Sep 1, 2010 6:54pm
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Sep 1, 2010 6:55 PM
You are not going to see 2 different alignments for basketball and football.

Yes, bringing a 12th team IS a football move, but it will affect ALL the sports.
Sep 1, 2010 6:55pm
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Sep 1, 2010 7:12 PM
And now Delaney is shooting down all of those "sources".

Saying it will be up to the coaches and schools to figure out if they need divisions.
Sep 1, 2010 7:12pm
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Sep 1, 2010 8:05 PM
wildcats20;468631 wrote:You are not going to see 2 different alignments for basketball and football.

Yes, bringing a 12th team IS a football move, but it will affect ALL the sports.

Well obviously it will affect other sports. But there has been no mention of splitting other sports into divisions. Thats the point. Obviously it will affect scheduling with the addition of Nebraska. But with basketball, its not that difficult of a task with the number of games available to play.
Sep 1, 2010 8:05pm
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Sep 1, 2010 9:28 PM
wildcats20;468631 wrote:You are not going to see 2 different alignments for basketball and football.

Yes, bringing a 12th team IS a football move, but it will affect ALL the sports.

Like I said, no it doesn't.


It only affects scheduling.

It doesn't affect who plays for conference title, or anything like that.
Sep 1, 2010 9:28pm
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Sep 2, 2010 11:46 PM
All adding Nebraska to the schedule will do is inhibit OSU's ability to schedule 2 other pathetic OOC opponents.
Sep 2, 2010 11:46pm
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Sep 3, 2010 11:51 AM
centralbucksfan;468625 wrote:Actually, its NOT OFFICIAL as they aren't even going to announce the alignment until 7pm tonite. Not sure where you got this. But nothing is even out at this point. Not for another 15 min. And again, this is about football and doesnt' pertain to basketball.

Yeah, SEC is/was the only "power" conference to keep divisions in basketball. ACC didn't. The old Big 12 didn't either when it came to tournament seeding. I'm not sure why the new Big 10 would feel compelled to, especially since the divisions were made with football in mind.

It would blow if OSU didn't play Michigan home and home every year in basketball. I hope the Big 10 follows the ACC's format - guarantee home and homes for some opponents....just because OSU and Michigan were placed in separate divisions in football shouldn't mean they lose the basketball home and home.
Sep 3, 2010 11:51am
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Sep 3, 2010 12:43 PM
Here's the ACC format, two protected home and homes, the other 9 opponents rotate (3 home and homes, 3 road, 3 home)...this is a FAR better system for the Big 10 since it was split up with football (and not basketball or geography) in mind. Here are the ACC's protected partners:

School Partner 1 Partner 2
Boston College Miami Virginia Tech
Clemson Georgia Tech Florida State
Duke North Carolina Maryland
Florida State Miami Clemson
Georgia Tech Clemson Wake Forest
Maryland Duke Virginia
Miami Boston College Florida State
North Carolina Duke North Carolina State
North Carolina State North Carolina Wake Forest
Virginia Virginia Tech Maryland
Virginia Tech Virginia Boston College
Wake Forest North Carolina State Georgia Tech

I can see the following Big 10 scheme with the ACC format.

School Partner 1 Partner 2
Indiana Ohio St. Purdue
Illinois Mich. St. Northwestern
Iowa Nebraska Wisconsin
Minn. Nebraska Wisconsin
Michigan Mich. St. Ohio St.
Mich. St. Illinois Michigan
Nebraska Iowa Minnesota
NW Illinois Penn St.
Ohio St. Indiana Michigan
Penn St. NW Purdue
Purdue Indiana Penn St.
Wisky Iowa Minnesota
Sep 3, 2010 12:43pm
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Sep 3, 2010 1:15 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;470499 wrote:Here's the ACC format, two protected home and homes, the other 9 opponents rotate (3 home and homes, 3 road, 3 home)...this is a FAR better system for the Big 10 since it was split up with football (and not basketball or geography) in mind. Here are the ACC's protected partners:

School Partner 1 Partner 2
Boston College Miami Virginia Tech
Clemson Georgia Tech Florida State
Duke North Carolina Maryland
Florida State Miami Clemson
Georgia Tech Clemson Wake Forest
Maryland Duke Virginia
Miami Boston College Florida State
North Carolina Duke North Carolina State
North Carolina State North Carolina Wake Forest
Virginia Virginia Tech Maryland
Virginia Tech Virginia Boston College
Wake Forest North Carolina State Georgia Tech

I can see the following Big 10 scheme with the ACC format.

School Partner 1 Partner 2
Indiana Ohio St. Purdue
Illinois Mich. St. Northwestern
Iowa Nebraska Wisconsin
Minn. Nebraska Wisconsin
Michigan Mich. St. Ohio St.
Mich. St. Illinois Michigan
Nebraska Iowa Minnesota
NW Illinois Penn St.
Ohio St. Indiana Michigan
Penn St. NW Purdue
Purdue Indiana Penn St.
Wisky Iowa Minnesota



I already said this earlier about the ACC if you would have read my post.
Sep 3, 2010 1:15pm
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Manhattan Buckeye

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Sep 3, 2010 2:09 PM
yes I read it, I was just providing the actual format in the ACC (which works well) and how a similar Big 10 format could work. Certainly much better than an SEC-like divisional structure with divisions based on football.
Sep 3, 2010 2:09pm
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Sep 3, 2010 2:31 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;470646 wrote:yes I read it, I was just providing the actual format in the ACC (which works well) and how a similar Big 10 format could work. Certainly much better than an SEC-like divisional structure with divisions based on football.

Just giving you a hard time man, I like your post, I think it would work really well.
Sep 3, 2010 2:31pm
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Sep 15, 2010 12:22 AM
Manhattan Buckeye;470440 wrote:Yeah, SEC is/was the only "power" conference to keep divisions in basketball. ACC didn't. The old Big 12 didn't either when it came to tournament seeding. I'm not sure why the new Big 10 would feel compelled to, especially since the divisions were made with football in mind.

It would blow if OSU didn't play Michigan home and home every year in basketball. I hope the Big 10 follows the ACC's format - guarantee home and homes for some opponents....just because OSU and Michigan were placed in separate divisions in football shouldn't mean they lose the basketball home and home.

Under the current setup OSU isn't guaranteed a home and home with UM every year. If I'm not mistaken, the schedule rotates and at some point, every team plays only one game against the other for two years in a row (one home, one away). I don't recall reading about any protected rivalries in basketball -- only football.

EDIT: Just checked, it's as I thought. In 1999-2000, Ohio State only played UM there. The following season, they only played UM at home. I would assume this kind of scheduling will continue.
Sep 15, 2010 12:22am