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Lenin
Posts: 22
Nov 23, 2009 12:39pm
Hmm, interesting. I thought Tyrone was the one who ruined Notre Dame.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Nov 23, 2009 12:44pm
Was thinking the same thing. Notre Dame fired Willingham and Willingham had a higher Win %.
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Hamp89
Posts: 625
Nov 23, 2009 12:45pm
Willingham won with Davie's players, but couldn't win with his own. What's your point?
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Nov 23, 2009 12:47pm
He didn't have time haha. He was only there 3 yrsHamp89 wrote: Willingham won with Davie's players, but couldn't win with his own. What's your point?
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
Nov 23, 2009 12:47pm
there was no depth behind that last class he had...he would have won zero games at ND had he stayed once Brady graduated. He won zero his last year at Washington...Ty is a terrible, terrible coach.
athlete37
Posts: 992
Nov 23, 2009 12:58pm
Derek Bomar summed this up pretty efficiently. This thread could be ripped apart with any further review of Ty's recruiting efforts in comparison to Charlie's.
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trep14
Posts: 842
Nov 23, 2009 1:04pm
Ty is a terrible coach. No argument here on that. But what seriously makes you think that Weis is any better? Is it that almost win against USC as well as all the wins against probably the easiest schedule a Division I team has ever played in 2005 that resulted in Notre Dame making Frontbutt one of the highest paid coaches in college football for the next decade? Or is it all that recent success that Frontbutt has had at Notre Dame?
Arguing about who the better coach is between these two is like arguing who is the least retarded on short bus. You can thank the both of them for making Notre Dame football the joke it is today.
Arguing about who the better coach is between these two is like arguing who is the least retarded on short bus. You can thank the both of them for making Notre Dame football the joke it is today.
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rock_knutne
Nov 23, 2009 1:06pm
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Nov 23, 2009 1:08pm
Yeah its obvious that Willingham isn't a "great" coach. I think most would agree there. However, saying that Weis is a better coach just because ESPN and Rivals happens to like the guys he brings in, doesn't make sense at all. Its clear that Willingham was able to get something from the very little he had/brought in. Weis on the other hand, supposedly has a ton of talent... but yet they can't put it all together.trep14 wrote: Ty is a terrible coach. No argument here on that. But what seriously makes you think that Weis is any better? Is it that almost win against USC as well as all the wins against probably the easiest schedule a Division I team has ever played in 2005 that resulted in Notre Dame making Frontbutt one of the highest paid coaches in college football for the next decade? Or is it all that recent success that Frontbutt has had at Notre Dame?
Arguing about who the better coach is between these two is like arguing who is the least retarded on short bus. You can thank the both of them for making Notre Dame football the joke it is today.
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Hamp89
Posts: 625
Nov 23, 2009 1:08pm
These threads are killing me..are people really trying to flame the ND fans? You do realize that EVERY ND fan thinks that Weis needs to go, correct? This is an extremely lame attempt at trolling, and is failing miserably.
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Hamp89
Posts: 625
Nov 23, 2009 1:10pm
Here you go: THEY ARE BOTH SHITTY COACHES! End of discussion. Nobody is making a case for Weis, and bringing up Willingham is simply a joke. They both suck.jordo212000 wrote:Yeah its obvious that Willingham isn't a "great" coach. I think most would agree there. However, saying that Weis is a better coach just because ESPN and Rivals happens to like the guys he brings in, doesn't make sense at all. Its clear that Willingham was able to get something from the very little he had/brought in. Weis on the other hand, supposedly has a ton of talent... but yet they can't put it all together.trep14 wrote: Ty is a terrible coach. No argument here on that. But what seriously makes you think that Weis is any better? Is it that almost win against USC as well as all the wins against probably the easiest schedule a Division I team has ever played in 2005 that resulted in Notre Dame making Frontbutt one of the highest paid coaches in college football for the next decade? Or is it all that recent success that Frontbutt has had at Notre Dame?
Arguing about who the better coach is between these two is like arguing who is the least retarded on short bus. You can thank the both of them for making Notre Dame football the joke it is today.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Nov 23, 2009 1:12pm
Why can't people just have a casual conversation about Weis and Notre Dame? Check the other threads, I didn't join in on all that garbage. Turn on ESPN man, the same conversations are happening. Just because you are tired of hearing about it, doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't find it conversation-worthy
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Mr Pat
Posts: 519
Nov 23, 2009 1:13pm
Oh my goodness! You say Weis is a bad coach?! What a revelation!!!!!!!!! My eyes have been opened! You see I've spent the last three years in a cave on Mars, with my eyes shut, and my fingers in my ears. Thank the Good Lord you were able to bring to my attention that Weis is a bad coach. As for Slick Willy, he got 4 years at Washington and repaid them by going with an 0-fer.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 23, 2009 1:17pm
Ty was fired because he's black.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Nov 23, 2009 1:18pm
Once again, nobody is requiring you to open these threads.. just sayingMr Pat wrote: Oh my goodness! You say Weis is a bad coach?! What a revelation!!!!!!!!! My eyes have been opened! You see I've spent the last three years in a cave on Mars, with my eyes shut, and my fingers in my ears. Thank the Good Lord you were able to bring to my attention that Weis is a bad coach. As for Slick Willy, he got 4 years at Washington and repaid them by going with an 0-fer.
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rock_knutne
Nov 23, 2009 1:19pm
One thing that can't be disputed is that Weis will have left the program in much better shape in player depth than Willingham did.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Nov 23, 2009 1:22pm
seems like Weis is one of those coaches who can't get talent to the next level (Denny Green , Byron Scott come to mind). They get the train headed in the right direction, but for some reason they just can't get the talent over the hump.rock_knutne wrote: One thing that can't be disputed is that Weis will have left the program in much better shape in player depth than Willingham did.
Notre Dame is in a good spot IMO. If they could find a tough, young defensive minded coach this could be an outstanding team next year. I've always been a fan of Will Muschamp down at Texas. Although I think he is Jimbo-Fishering that job from Mack Brown..
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rocket31
Posts: 460
Nov 23, 2009 1:24pm
i find it quite amusing that the "alleged" buckeye insider uses his first post to attack notre dame.
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Mr Pat
Posts: 519
Nov 23, 2009 1:25pm
Good point, let's have a Maurice Claret is a criminal thread. Or a Tressel only the big one with Cooper's players, or even a the earth is round thread. People may still wanna hear about those gems. You're right, nobody required me to open the thread, and nobody is requiring me to not respond either. If it's a dumb topic that's been beaten to death, I will respond in kind. Just saying.jordo212000 wrote:Once again, nobody is requiring you to open these threads.. just sayingMr Pat wrote: Oh my goodness! You say Weis is a bad coach?! What a revelation!!!!!!!!! My eyes have been opened! You see I've spent the last three years in a cave on Mars, with my eyes shut, and my fingers in my ears. Thank the Good Lord you were able to bring to my attention that Weis is a bad coach. As for Slick Willy, he got 4 years at Washington and repaid them by going with an 0-fer.
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trep14
Posts: 842
Nov 23, 2009 1:39pm
I think you meant to say that "if I think its a dumb topic thats been beaten to death, I will respond in kind". To the rest of us, you're just being a troll.Mr Pat wrote:Good point, let's have a Maurice Claret is a criminal thread. Or a Tressel only the big one with Cooper's players, or even a the earth is round thread. People may still wanna hear about those gems. You're right, nobody required me to open the thread, and nobody is requiring me to not respond either. If it's a dumb topic that's been beaten to death, I will respond in kind. Just saying.jordo212000 wrote:Once again, nobody is requiring you to open these threads.. just sayingMr Pat wrote: Oh my goodness! You say Weis is a bad coach?! What a revelation!!!!!!!!! My eyes have been opened! You see I've spent the last three years in a cave on Mars, with my eyes shut, and my fingers in my ears. Thank the Good Lord you were able to bring to my attention that Weis is a bad coach. As for Slick Willy, he got 4 years at Washington and repaid them by going with an 0-fer.
darbypitcher22
Posts: 8,000
Nov 23, 2009 1:41pm
Lets just remember one thing: Everyone wants to say that coaches that don't win are bad coaches.... that's not true at all. Many different variables, especially at that level, that contribute to success.
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Mr Pat
Posts: 519
Nov 23, 2009 1:43pm
Trep, it is a dumb topic. We have had this "debate" with Lenin and many others on the "other side" so many, many times. It always ends the same way. Willingham is a bad coach, Weis is a bad coach, we know. Tressel only the big one with Cooper players is also a dumb topic.
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dat dude
Posts: 1,564
Nov 23, 2009 1:48pm
wtf are you talking about?darbypitcher22 wrote: Lets just remember one thing: Everyone wants to say that coaches that don't win are bad coaches.... that's not true at all. Many different variables, especially at that level, that contribute to success.
martyirish
Posts: 490
Nov 23, 2009 1:49pm
you need to be punched in the mouth for saying a very untruthful and stupid statement like that.sleeper wrote: Ty was fired because he's black.
darbypitcher22
Posts: 8,000
Nov 23, 2009 1:51pm
what I'm saying is just because a coach doesn't win games doesn't mean he's a bad coach. There are many other variables (support within the institution) and other underlying things that can keep a coach from succeeding.