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mhs95_06

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Aug 7, 2010 11:03 PM
I'm watching the Rockies playing in Pittsburgh in the 10th inning with the Rockies up 7-5. The Pirates lead-off hitter hits one deep to center. It is close to being a home run or a double as it bounced off a fan right above the top of the fence. They ruled it was a HR. Tracy comes out to question, why he'd do that I don't know becasue it doesn't matter to the game one way or the other which it is as either way the game is the same, the tying run is at bat with no out. So why would Tracy do that, and why would the umps even entertain his argument and take it to the long review trying to decide on something that makes no difference to the outcome of the game?
Aug 7, 2010 11:03pm
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Aug 7, 2010 11:05 PM
It always matters, I hate that argument.

What if he gets smoked by a line-drive? I know all the scenarios where the runner on second matter are very small, but it still matters.
Aug 7, 2010 11:05pm
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Aug 7, 2010 11:16 PM
Tracy should have let the Pirates have the "rally killing lead-off HR". McCutchen, and his lead-off ump-ruled double scores from 2nd on a walkoff 2 out, 3 run HR by Alvarez!
Aug 7, 2010 11:16pm
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Aug 7, 2010 11:33 PM
What a great ending! Hopefully this is a sign of things to come for the young Bucs!
Aug 7, 2010 11:33pm
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Aug 7, 2010 11:34 PM
Laley23;445110 wrote:It always matters, I hate that argument.

What if he gets smoked by a line-drive? I know all the scenarios where the runner on second matter are very small, but it still matters.

Agreed. Runner on 2nd could run himself into an out and the next batter could hit a HR. Tell me that the call doesn't matter in that situation.
Aug 7, 2010 11:34pm
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Aug 7, 2010 11:43 PM
there's always an argument. You'd rather give up the double and have him on 2nd base without a run scoring and still have a 2 run lead and make them work to get that run across
Aug 7, 2010 11:43pm
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Aug 7, 2010 11:45 PM
justincredible;445143 wrote:Agreed. Runner on 2nd could run himself into an out and the next batter could hit a HR. Tell me that the call doesn't matter in that situation.

That runner would have to be more stupid than the umps or Tracy to run into an out, or get hit by a line drive out all the way out at 2B where he has plenty of time to see the ball and avoid it. In fact it may be helpful to have a runner out there to screen the shortstop from seeing a grounder or line drive and allow the batter to reach safely, when he otherwise wouldn't have if the bases were empty on a homer!
Aug 7, 2010 11:45pm
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Aug 7, 2010 11:54 PM
darbypitcher22;445155 wrote:there's always an argument. You'd rather give up the double and have him on 2nd base without a run scoring and still have a 2 run lead and make them work to get that run across

Any team worth their salt is not going to "work" to get that run across, it makes no difference to them as they just want to get the tying run across, then the winning run.

I never understand why in that sutuation the fans cheer a lead-off rally killing HR way more than they would a lead-off rally starting walk! The walk indicates their prospects are better if the pitcher doesn't even have enough control to make the guy hit the ball. A home run means at least he understands that making them earn it is better than giving them free baserunners. From the offensive side it is better to not take the more risk of making an out big swing, and just try to get on base anyway you can trying to line drive it, ground it in the hole, or take a pitch in the arm.
Aug 7, 2010 11:54pm
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Aug 8, 2010 12:05 AM
mhs95_06;445158 wrote:That runner would have to be more stupid than the umps or Tracy to run into an out, or get hit by a line drive out all the way out at 2B where he has plenty of time to see the ball and avoid it. In fact it may be helpful to have a runner out there to screen the shortstop from seeing a grounder or line drive and allow the batter to reach safely, when he otherwise wouldn't have if the bases were empty on a homer!

Not true at all. Somehow he ends up on third. Ball hit right back to the pitcher, or a liner to the 3b. Pretty easy to get caught off the base or in the first scenario, pretty easy for a guy to react and take a step home and get in a run down.
Aug 8, 2010 12:05am
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Aug 8, 2010 12:21 AM
Laley23;445176 wrote:Not true at all. Somehow he ends up on third. Ball hit right back to the pitcher, or a liner to the 3b. Pretty easy to get caught off the base or in the first scenario, pretty easy for a guy to react and take a step home and get in a run down.

I'll grant you that it is pretty easy to be stupid, but that's the key to smart play, to do the things to give you the best chance to win if you play smart. That is the mark of a bad team to try to win by not playing the best percentages because they don't want to lose by stupidity.
Aug 8, 2010 12:21am
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Aug 8, 2010 12:33 AM
mhs95_06;445186 wrote:I'll grant you that it is pretty easy to be stupid, but that's the key to smart play, to do the things to give you the best chance to win if you play smart. That is the mark of a bad team to try to win by not playing the best percentages because they don't want to lose by stupidity.

Right, and I agree that it is very unlikely that the runner comes into play at all. Just saying, as a manager, Im always looking for a way to have an extra possible out versus a run being scored.
Aug 8, 2010 12:33am
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Aug 8, 2010 10:49 AM
I hope I manage again you someday. You seem like the type of idiot savant I'd have so much fun dicking with
Aug 8, 2010 10:49am
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Aug 9, 2010 12:50 PM
mhs95_06;445158 wrote:That runner would have to be more stupid than the umps or Tracy to run into an out, or get hit by a line drive out all the way out at 2B where he has plenty of time to see the ball and avoid it.

As a Pirates fan, I have to take this time to say that we're talking about the Pirates here. As young as their team is, they ARE that stupid.
Aug 9, 2010 12:50pm