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Jul 25, 2010 11:18 AM
rock_knutne;431912 wrote:Pryor has a winning record, no doubt about that BUT, his QB numbers aren't great and very few times did he directly impact an OSU win. IMO, he would be a devastating weapon at WR, he's an DC's nightmare on the outside. I doubt he cuts it at QB at the next level.

I'd say if you're talking only about passing numbers, then yes, his influence in wins has been more limited -- but a QB's "numbers" also include running, and Pryor was devastating to most defenses at some point, when he made timely decisions to take off. So I dispute that he had direct impact on wins only a few times. You have to also consider the THREAT of him running as part of his game, and that helps the other runners perform better via deception.

Now, do I think he's anywhere near his potential as an all-around QB? Nope. And that's the scary part about this guy's talent. If he ever really gets it together and learns how to time his running out of the pocket better -- AND refines his passing game, he'll be devastating.

The whole WR discussion now is silly. Might he end up doing that at the next level? Sure. He could end up being more of a wildcat QB, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

Finally, have you noticed how Oregon was this legit top 10 team when they entered the Rose Bowl and somehow morphed into overrated by the time the game ended?

Shameless revision of history by some on here.
Jul 25, 2010 11:18am
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Jul 25, 2010 11:29 AM
rock_knutne;431912 wrote:Pryor has a winning record, no doubt about that BUT, his QB numbers aren't great and very few times did he directly impact an OSU win. IMO, he would be a devastating weapon at WR, he's an DC's nightmare on the outside. I doubt he cuts it at QB at the next level.

What makes you think he would be devastating at WR? He is an unknown at WR. If he continues to develop the way he did during the Rose Bowl, he can be a very good college QB. When he makes good decisions and takes care of the ball, good things happen for the OSU offense. He probably was the starter before he was ready, and he was forced to learn a lot while playing. I expect big things from him this year.
Jul 25, 2010 11:29am
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Jul 25, 2010 11:44 AM
If Pryor plays like he did at the end of the season (after the Purdue loss), OSU will be playing for a national championship imo. He limited his turnovers (3 INT's in the last 6 games), hit the big plays, and scrambled only when necessary.

The kid is only a JR and will probably stay all 4 years. He already has 1 legit BCS Bowl win (MVP) and 2 B10 Titles. This season could be B10 title #3 and a possibly shot at a national title. If our offense plays like it did at the end of the year and we play OSU defense, its very possible.

Before Pryor leaves OSU, he may be one of the more decorated QB's in OSU/College history imo.
Jul 25, 2010 11:44am
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Jul 25, 2010 12:18 PM
devil1197;431937 wrote:If Pryor plays like he did at the end of the season (after the Purdue loss), OSU will be playing for a national championship imo. He limited his turnovers (3 INT's in the last 6 games), hit the big plays, and scrambled only when necessary.

The kid is only a JR and will probably stay all 4 years. He already has 1 legit BCS Bowl win (MVP) and 2 B10 Titles. This season could be B10 title #3 and a possibly shot at a national title. If our offense plays like it did at the end of the year and we play OSU defense, its very possible.

Before Pryor leaves OSU, he may be one of the more decorated QB's in OSU/College history imo.
Not even close
Jul 25, 2010 12:18pm
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Jul 25, 2010 12:22 PM
gibby08;431947 wrote:Not even close

of course the tebow nuthugger jumps in. Tebow-backup qb for 1 championship, loss to Michigan in some bowl game, 1 starting qb championship, 1 sugar bowl win. If Pryor wins one championship and another bcs bowl, he will have accomplished more than tebow as a starting qb
Jul 25, 2010 12:22pm
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Jul 25, 2010 12:36 PM
Pick6;431916 wrote:I can agree with that, for once. He has only played half of his football too. Alot of people said VY wouldnt make it in the NFL, but hes doing just fine.

What has Vince Young accomplished at the NFL level besides being on suicide watch?
Jul 25, 2010 12:36pm
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Jul 25, 2010 12:38 PM
gibby08;431947 wrote:Not even close

With the roster OSU currently has and the talent coming in, its very possible for Pryor to walk away with 3-4 B10 titles, 2-3 BCS W's (including a NC), and two good years for a Heisman opportunity. If OSU is undefeated and TP has solid numbers, he'll be in the running for the Heisman. He is already on the preseason list, he just has to put up good numbers with OSU winning.

Those are all TP starting at QB BTW. IMO, he'll leave OSU with no more than 6 losses for his career.

It's all moot if OSU can't get it done, but the talent is there for two great years at OSU for Pryor.
Jul 25, 2010 12:38pm
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Jul 25, 2010 12:40 PM
rock_knutne;431958 wrote:What has Vince Young accomplished at the NFL level besides being on suicide watch?

A winning record. Something a lot of the "prototypical" pocket passing QBs dont have.
Jul 25, 2010 12:40pm
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Jul 25, 2010 12:42 PM
Writerbuckeye;431922 wrote:I'd say if you're talking only about passing numbers, then yes, his influence in wins has been more limited -- but a QB's "numbers" also include running, and Pryor was devastating to most defenses at some point, when he made timely decisions to take off. So I dispute that he had direct impact on wins only a few times. You have to also consider the THREAT of him running as part of his game, and that helps the other runners perform better via deception.

Now, do I think he's anywhere near his potential as an all-around QB? Nope. And that's the scary part about this guy's talent. If he ever really gets it together and learns how to time his running out of the pocket better -- AND refines his passing game, he'll be devastating.

The whole WR discussion now is silly. Might he end up doing that at the next level? Sure. He could end up being more of a wildcat QB, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

Finally, have you noticed how Oregon was this legit top 10 team when they entered the Rose Bowl and somehow morphed into overrated by the time the game ended?

Shameless revision of history by some on here.
Al Bundy;431928 wrote:What makes you think he would be devastating at WR? He is an unknown at WR. If he continues to develop the way he did during the Rose Bowl, he can be a very good college QB. When he makes good decisions and takes care of the ball, good things happen for the OSU offense. He probably was the starter before he was ready, and he was forced to learn a lot while playing. I expect big things from him this year.

Don't jump all over me about his sub par QB stats, he's not a very good passer and thus far has made more bad decisions than good ones under center. The only thing he can do is run, his throwing motion is awful, you would think that they would have worked on it before last year but that definitely wasn't the case. You're not going to run the table in CFB any more if you can't succesfully throw the football, there's no disputing that. A defense like Alabama would eat him alive, he has to improve his throwing skills!

And yeah, he would probably be a better WR than a QB at this point of his career, his pure athleticism makes that's a no brainer!
Jul 25, 2010 12:42pm
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Jul 25, 2010 12:43 PM
Pick6;431949 wrote:of course the tebow nuthugger jumps in. Tebow-backup qb for 1 championship, loss to Michigan in some bowl game, 1 starting qb championship, 1 sugar bowl win. If Pryor wins one championship and another bcs bowl, he will have accomplished more than tebow as a starting qb

No sorry...but thanks for playing
Jul 25, 2010 12:43pm
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Jul 25, 2010 12:44 PM
rock_knutne;431972 wrote:Don't jump all over me about his sub par QB stats, he's not a very good passer and thus far has made more bad decisions than good ones under center. The only thing he can do is run, his throwing motion is awful, you would think that they would have worked on it before last year but that definitely wasn't the case. You're not going to run the table in CFB any more if you can't succesfully throw the football, there's no disputing that. A defense like Alabama would eat him alive, he has to improve his throwing skills!

And yeah, he would probably be a better WR than a QB at this point of his career, his pure athleticism makes that's a no brainer!

see tim tebow.
Jul 25, 2010 12:44pm
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Jul 25, 2010 12:45 PM
^^

He's got 2 things Pryor will never have
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Jul 25, 2010 12:46 PM
Yep because you've watched him so much at the WR spot to say he would be better there. The only situations where I think Pryor would be successful at the WR spot would be jump balls. I've yet to see route running, timing, and his catching ability to make a statement like that. Athleticism only goes so far at the WR position.

The guy has done a lot and hasn't even reached his ceiling for potential. He doesn't have to be a perfect passer for OSU to be successful, that's already been proven. He just needs to keep improving his passing while using his elusiveness and running ability at the correct time.
Jul 25, 2010 12:46pm
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Jul 25, 2010 12:47 PM
gibby08;431977 wrote:^^

He's got 2 things Pryor will never have

Pryor will knock off one of those two things this season imo.
Jul 25, 2010 12:47pm
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Jul 25, 2010 12:52 PM
He's thrown more INT's than TD's in his NFL career........career passer rating of 72.3, that's terrible!
Jul 25, 2010 12:52pm
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Jul 25, 2010 12:54 PM
devil1197;431983 wrote:Pryor will knock off one of those two things this season imo.

Gotta beat Alabama first...which they can't
Jul 25, 2010 12:54pm
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Jul 25, 2010 12:56 PM
rock_knutne;431990 wrote:He's thrown more INT's than TD's in his NFL career........career passer rating of 72.3, that's terrible!

isnt brett favre the all time leader in interceptions? Winning is all that matters
Jul 25, 2010 12:56pm
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Jul 25, 2010 12:56 PM
gibby08;431993 wrote:Gotta beat Alabama first...which they can't

doesnt have to beat Bama to win a Heisman.
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Jul 25, 2010 12:57 PM
gibby08;431993 wrote:Gotta beat Alabama first...which they can't

We shall see.

A lot can happen this season. But Bama is beatable, McCoy doesn't get hurt its a different ball game. One injury, one play can flip the tables.
Jul 25, 2010 12:57pm
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rock_knutne

Jul 25, 2010 12:59 PM
Pick6;431996 wrote:isnt brett favre the all time leader in interceptions? Winning is all that matters

LMAO........you're comparing a guy that has won a Super Bowl and thrown A LOT of TD's in his career with Vince Young? End of discussion, you don't know what you're talking about!
Jul 25, 2010 12:59pm
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Jul 25, 2010 12:59 PM
Pick6;431999 wrote:doesnt have to beat Bama to win a Heisman.

Gotta beat our Ingram,Moore,Locker,Mallet,James,Williams,Lewis,among others, which he can't
Jul 25, 2010 12:59pm
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Jul 25, 2010 1:01 PM
Pick6;431976 wrote:see tim tebow.

Tebow threw the ball very well when they won the NC.......very well! What happened to him last year when his passing stats went south?
Jul 25, 2010 1:01pm
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Jul 25, 2010 1:10 PM
gibby08;432004 wrote:Gotta beat our Ingram,Moore,Locker,Mallet,James,Williams,Lewis,among others, which he can't

Gimme a break.
Jul 25, 2010 1:10pm
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Jul 25, 2010 1:11 PM
Any of those guys have a better shot than him right now
Jul 25, 2010 1:11pm
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Jul 25, 2010 1:11 PM
rock_knutne;432003 wrote:LMAO........you're comparing a guy that has won a Super Bowl and thrown A LOT of TD's in his career with Vince Young? End of discussion, you don't know what you're talking about!

blah blah..typical of you, get disproved in an argument and revert to personal attacks. Brett Favre has a career passing rating of 86.6. Prior to this season, which was also his statistically best season, his passer rating was 81.07. Thats real good!!
Jul 25, 2010 1:11pm