
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jul 15, 2010 10:56am
I thought the whole point of Android was to be open?
I mean, I'm an iphone guy but I definitely think Android is a great platform. And sure, iOS isn't "open" but at least you can jailbreak your iphone.
If I were going to switch to Android there is no way I'd buy the X because of this. I'd definitely go with the Evo.
http://gizmodo.com/5587801/motorola-is-willing-to-break-the-phone-they-just-sold-you
I mean, I'm an iphone guy but I definitely think Android is a great platform. And sure, iOS isn't "open" but at least you can jailbreak your iphone.
If I were going to switch to Android there is no way I'd buy the X because of this. I'd definitely go with the Evo.
http://gizmodo.com/5587801/motorola-is-willing-to-break-the-phone-they-just-sold-you

se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Jul 15, 2010 11:03am
Big mistake by Motorola.
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MontyBrunswick
Jul 15, 2010 12:31pm
They'll root it eventually anyways. But yeah, the Evo is sweet.

OneBuckeye
Posts: 5,888
Jul 15, 2010 12:35pm
dumb dumb dumb

j_crazy
Posts: 8,372
Jul 15, 2010 1:10pm
apparently droid can't.

wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Jul 15, 2010 3:12pm
Dumb decision by motorola.

Fab1b
Posts: 12,949
Jul 15, 2010 3:23pm
Ha ha

sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Jul 15, 2010 5:35pm
se-alum;424257 wrote:Big mistake by Motorola.
wes_mantooth;424470 wrote:Dumb decision by motorola.
I wouldn't blame Motorola on this one. I would say that Verizon and Google had a bigger hand in this one than Motorola did.
Yes they will. By the time 2.2 comes out, you will be able to root the X.dlazz;424303 wrote:They'll root it eventually anyways. But yeah, the Evo is sweet.
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cbus4life
Posts: 2,849
Jul 15, 2010 6:08pm
Go with Evo.

justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jul 15, 2010 6:12pm
sherm03;424614 wrote:I wouldn't blame Motorola on this one. I would say that Verizon and Google had a bigger hand in this one than Motorola did.
I would blame Moto and Verizon. I don't see the benefit of google pushing for something like this.
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MontyBrunswick
Jul 15, 2010 11:14pm
AT&T has been crippling their Android phones as well. It's not moving as Google has intended.
I would imagine Google is a-okay with people rooting their devices to run whatever flavor of Android they please
I would imagine Google is a-okay with people rooting their devices to run whatever flavor of Android they please
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Jawbreaker
Posts: 520
Jul 16, 2010 12:19am
I would think Google is OK with rooting your phone. See the Nexus One.
I just rooted my Incredible and my spare Eris. Nice to know I have control over the phone. However, I can see why VZW wouldn't want this since they lose a lot of control over the phone and how it is used on the network (i.e. Wifi tether). I would guess that very few people go through the process of rooting their phones.
I just rooted my Incredible and my spare Eris. Nice to know I have control over the phone. However, I can see why VZW wouldn't want this since they lose a lot of control over the phone and how it is used on the network (i.e. Wifi tether). I would guess that very few people go through the process of rooting their phones.

hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jul 16, 2010 12:27am
My HTC Hero is rooted..
My new Android phone will be as well, which ever one I decide on in December.
My new Android phone will be as well, which ever one I decide on in December.

Curly J
Posts: 7,282
Jul 16, 2010 12:52am
Was reading about this in an Android forum after I heard it here. Glad I went with the Incredible, even though I'm still waiting on it. I might not root mine right away, but it will happen someday.

sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Jul 16, 2010 1:12am
Ok...so my question is...what benefit do you get from rooting it that you don't get from the 2.2 update?
Tethering? Available on 2.2.
Faster clock speeds? Available on 2.2
Flash? Available on 2.2
Saving apps to the SD Card instead of the phone memory? Available on 2.2
The only legitimate beef was brought up by my friend who said some people may want to remove Moto's UI for the stock UI. Well on the X it is about as close as any manufacturer has come to stock UI anyways.
Bottom line is that rooting gives you nothing that 2.2 doesn't already give you...and after 2.2 you will probably be able to root it anyways. So why is this a big deal?
Tethering? Available on 2.2.
Faster clock speeds? Available on 2.2
Flash? Available on 2.2
Saving apps to the SD Card instead of the phone memory? Available on 2.2
The only legitimate beef was brought up by my friend who said some people may want to remove Moto's UI for the stock UI. Well on the X it is about as close as any manufacturer has come to stock UI anyways.
Bottom line is that rooting gives you nothing that 2.2 doesn't already give you...and after 2.2 you will probably be able to root it anyways. So why is this a big deal?

Curly J
Posts: 7,282
Jul 16, 2010 1:40am
Good points Sherm. The only thing I know is I've seen an Incredible and even toyed around with them through a couple of friends that have them. I have yet to have a Droid X in my hand. Buying something 'site unseen' is something I'm not fond of. Like buying a car without a test drive, marring a woman without a 'test drive'.
Besides, I bought mine with my company discount and it was a decent deal, a deal that Verizon couldn't match. That might not mean much to you, but I've been to a few places that sold Verizon phones and the people didn't think I was serious about buying, especially when I mentioned the whole company discount thing.
Plus I'm going from an old Nextel Motorola i335, good old 2 way and phone service, to an Incredible. That's like going from night to day already...I might not be worthy enough for the X. (my head might explode)
Besides, I bought mine with my company discount and it was a decent deal, a deal that Verizon couldn't match. That might not mean much to you, but I've been to a few places that sold Verizon phones and the people didn't think I was serious about buying, especially when I mentioned the whole company discount thing.
Plus I'm going from an old Nextel Motorola i335, good old 2 way and phone service, to an Incredible. That's like going from night to day already...I might not be worthy enough for the X. (my head might explode)
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Jul 16, 2010 2:44am
MOTO's UI is absolute garbage.sherm03;424951 wrote:Ok...so my question is...what benefit do you get from rooting it that you don't get from the 2.2 update?
Tethering? Available on 2.2.
Faster clock speeds? Available on 2.2
Flash? Available on 2.2
Saving apps to the SD Card instead of the phone memory? Available on 2.2
The only legitimate beef was brought up by my friend who said some people may want to remove Moto's UI for the stock UI. Well on the X it is about as close as any manufacturer has come to stock UI anyways.
Bottom line is that rooting gives you nothing that 2.2 doesn't already give you...and after 2.2 you will probably be able to root it anyways. So why is this a big deal?
Also, when is the 2.2 update supposed to be out? Usually it takes several months for handsets to be updated to the newest OS version. People don't like that when the only thing really keeping them from getting it right away is some arbitrary block against doing what you want with your own piece of equipment.
It'd be like if Microsoft crippled the shit out of my hardware if I tried to install a new OS.

sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Jul 16, 2010 9:10am
Curly,
I completely understand buying through your company. I have no beef with someone saving a ton of money buying through someone else. When I worked in the stores, I would come across that every once in a while.
Pants,
Like I said, Moto's UI is much different on the X than it has been on recent phones. Very similar to stock UI. The 2.2 update will be out within a few weeks. The phone would have launched with 2.2, but Verizon wanted to get the X out as soon as possible to and Moto was unable to get the 2.2 running prior to launch.
I completely understand buying through your company. I have no beef with someone saving a ton of money buying through someone else. When I worked in the stores, I would come across that every once in a while.
Pants,
Like I said, Moto's UI is much different on the X than it has been on recent phones. Very similar to stock UI. The 2.2 update will be out within a few weeks. The phone would have launched with 2.2, but Verizon wanted to get the X out as soon as possible to and Moto was unable to get the 2.2 running prior to launch.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Jul 16, 2010 11:51am
Cool that it'll be out relatively quickly but I still don't like that they don't let you do what you want with your own property.

thePITman
Posts: 3,867
Jul 16, 2010 12:09pm
At the bottom:
UPDATE: A new report is arguing that eFuse won't necessarily brick the Droid X, as it's implemented in some other Motorola phones but not activated. Here's hoping such is the case and my rant was uncalled for. We've reached out for comment from Motorola on the matter.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Jul 16, 2010 12:14pm
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/motorola-responds-to-droid-x-bootloader-controversy-says-efuse/
So it doesn't brick it but it still is pretty shitty imo.There's been a lot of chatter going around the interwebs in the past 24 hours about the Droid X's exceptionally well-locked bootloader -- a situation that is going to make running custom ROMs considerably more difficult (bordering on impossible) compared to your average HTC. Specifically, the culprit is said to be a technology known as eFuse -- developed by IBM several years ago -- which allows circuits to be physically altered at the silicon level on demand. Thing is, the term "eFuse" has taken on an unrelated meaning this week, with My Droid World claiming that some chip inside the Droid X is commanded to "blow the fuse" if it's unable to verify the stock bootloader, which permanently bricks the phone. It amounts to a really, really hard slap on the wrist for anyone trying to hack, say, Sense or stock Froyo onto it.
Considering IBM's historically non-nefarious usage of the term "eFuse," we suspected something was amiss here, so we reached out to Motorola for an explanation. Read on to see what we got back.
"Motorola's primary focus is the security of our end users and protection of their data, while also meeting carrier, partner and legal requirements. The Droid X and a majority of Android consumer devices on the market today have a secured bootloader. In reference specifically to eFuse, the technology is not loaded with the purpose of preventing a consumer device from functioning, but rather ensuring for the user that the device only runs on updated and tested versions of software. If a device attempts to boot with unapproved software, it will go into recovery mode, and can re-boot once approved software is re-installed. Checking for a valid software configuration is a common practice within the industry to protect the user against potential malicious software threats. Motorola has been a long time advocate of open platforms and provides a number of resources to developers to foster the ecosystem including tools and access to devices via MOTODEV at http://developer.motorola.com."
So in other words, yes, eFuse will shut down a phone with an unapproved bootloader -- but it won't brick the phone, it just needs "approved software" to be dropped back on there. Knowing the wealth of talent in the Android development community, we're still really hopeful this nonsense is going to get circumvented either way, but at least we can breathe a little easier knowing that Moto isn't out to destroy your multi-hundred-dollar investment.