QuakerOats;903181 wrote:That's funny .... who was polled, the 50% who pay zero/nothing/nada

Yet, if the Bush tax cuts for everyone were to expire those people you decry for paying "zero" would pay federal income taxes and the deficit would be nearly closed according to the CBO and you complain about how awful that tax increase would be.

You can't have it both ways. You can't complain about the 50% of people who pay nothing when many of those people are middle class americans and then also repudiate policy proposals that would ensure that they paid federal income taxes. You can't complain that middle class americans pay no federal income tax and then also complain about them possibly paying some income taxes. The national median income is $44,389 and families earning up to $60,000 can easily eliminate any federal income tax burden.

Ty Webb;903225 wrote:Wow....a Republican columnist saying he should resign??? Who would've thunk it?

Chicago Tribune Bio on Mr. Chapman

Steve Chapman writes a twice-weekly column on national affars, which is syndicated in some 50 newspapers across the country, and writes editorials on legal issues, economics, and foreign relations. He also does a blog that appears on the Chicago Tribune web site.

Born in Brady, Texas in 1954, Chapman grew up in Midland and Austin. He attended Harvard University, where he was on the staff of The Harvard Crimson, and graduated with honors in 1976. He has been a fellow at the American Academy in Berlin and the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, and has served on the Visiting Committee of the University of Chicago Law School.

Chapman, who is married, has two sons, a daughter, and three stepsons. He lives in the suburbs of Chicago.
My Biography
[HR][/HR]Steve Chapman writes a twice-weekly column on national and international affairs that is syndicated in some 50 papers. A member of the Tribune editorial board since 1981, came to the Tribune from The New Republic magazine, where he was an associate editor. He has contributed articles to several national magazines, including Slate, The American Spectator, The Weekly Standard, Reason, and National Review. He has appeared on numerous TV and radio news programs, include The CBS Evening News, NBC Nightly News, The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer, and National Public Radio’s Fresh Air, Talk of the Nation and On Point.

Would the New Republic magazine or the CBS and nor NBC News make him a Republician?

You may want to view the history of the TNR

Belly35;903280 wrote:Chicago Tribune Bio on Mr. Chapman

Steve Chapman writes a twice-weekly column on national affars, which is syndicated in some 50 newspapers across the country, and writes editorials on legal issues, economics, and foreign relations. He also does a blog that appears on the Chicago Tribune web site.

Born in Brady, Texas in 1954, Chapman grew up in Midland and Austin. He attended Harvard University, where he was on the staff of The Harvard Crimson, and graduated with honors in 1976. He has been a fellow at the American Academy in Berlin and the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, and has served on the Visiting Committee of the University of Chicago Law School.

Chapman, who is married, has two sons, a daughter, and three stepsons. He lives in the suburbs of Chicago.
My Biography

Steve Chapman writes a twice-weekly column on national and international affairs that is syndicated in some 50 papers. A member of the Tribune editorial board since 1981, came to the Tribune from The New Republic magazine, where he was an associate editor. He has contributed articles to several national magazines, including Slate, The American Spectator, The Weekly Standard, Reason, and National Review. He has appeared on numerous TV and radio news programs, include The CBS Evening News, NBC Nightly News, The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer, and National Public Radio’s Fresh Air, Talk of the Nation and On Point.

Would the New Republic magazine or the CBS and nor NBC News make him a Republician?

You may want to view the history of the TNR

Go read on the internet about him Belly.....he donated to McCain,W twice,and Dole

Ty Webb;903284 wrote:Go read on the internet about him Belly.....he donated to McCain,W twice,and Dole

Can you ever have a conversation without including Bush? Seem you die hard Union Democrat Obama Butt Buddies can't relate to the now world.

Have you looked up the TNR politcial views over the years?

Belly35;903295 wrote:Can you ever have a conversation without including Bush? Seem you die hard Union Democrat Obama Butt Buddies can't relate to the now world.

Have you looked up the TNR politcial views over the years?

You asked how I knew he is a Republican...I answered your question.

MSNBC as Scarbourgh...what would be different about TNR hiring this guy

BoatShoes;903250 wrote:Yet, if the Bush tax cuts for everyone were to expire those people you decry for paying "zero" would pay federal income taxes and the deficit would be nearly closed according to the CBO and you complain about how awful that tax increase would be.

You can't have it both ways. You can't complain about the 50% of people who pay nothing when many of those people are middle class americans and then also repudiate policy proposals that would ensure that they paid federal income taxes. You can't complain that middle class americans pay no federal income tax and then also complain about them possibly paying some income taxes. The national median income is $44,389 and families earning up to $60,000 can easily eliminate any federal income tax burden.

Everyone should have some skin in the game --- at least $100 if nothing else to go toward their nation's defense. However, to go off the deep end and raise marginal rates on the groups that are paying the full load already is not the way to go, especially when you have ZERO control on federal spending.

It is unfathomable that obama would deficit-spend trillions of dollars, and then effectively blame the taxpayers for not paying enough ---- absolute insanity ..... make that, theft.

If you think Obama isn't trying to ruin the economy so that he can make it into his Western Socialist image, then why appoint a...ahem...you can't make this shit up...drumroll....Infrasctructure Czar???

http://townhall.com/columnists/luritadoan/2011/09/19/obama_proposes_new_czar/page/full/

Here's the salient point -

"Make no mistake: the AIFA Czar position is redundant. All of the infrastructure projects and tasks identified to be performed by Obama’s new Czar are already the responsibilities of the Senate-confirmed heads of Department of Transportation, the U.S. General Services Administration and the Department of Energy."

Hmm...attempting to circumvent the Constitution is he? Or is he attempting to re-write the laws of the land in order to get pet projects moving, like he did with Solyndra? Oh, I forgot...he has the best of intentions and wouldn't dare do anything dumb, like say give $537,000,000 to a bankrupt green energy company, would he?

2 choices: He's either the most ignorant arrogant dolt of a President in the history of the country OR he knows exactly what he's doing TO the country not FOR the country. There can't be any gray area left after 30 months of his redistributing.

Today's arrogant claim by obama on the property of Americans to the tune of an additional $1.5 trillion (in 'taxes') is simply stunning. It is an overt redistribution of wealth from one group of people to his favorite community organizations: public sector unions and welfare recipients ............Let's just cut to the chase.

Change we can believe in .....

Ty Webb;903284 wrote:Go read on the internet about him Belly.....he donated to McCain,W twice,and Dole

I get it.. Because Steve Chapmane donated to Bush, Dole and McCain that makes him a Republican so any type of relationship to those individuals deems Steve Chapman a Republican. Correct?

OK .... How about this list and the relationship to Obama: what does this make Obama?

Barack Hussein Obama Sr. – Barack's father was an African socialist.

Stanley Ann Dunham – Barack's mother was a 60's liberal feminist and an atheist – all the makings of a rebellious, 60's-era, left-wing radical.

Frank Marshall Davis – "Frank," as Barack Obama refers to him in his book, Dreams From My Father, was a member of the Communist Party (USA).

Saul Alinsky – Mr. Alinsky was an avid and open socialist and the king of social activism, commonly called the "father of community organizing." Saul Alinsky's son, Lee David Alinsky, recently praised Obama on his ability to perform Saul's tactics, saying that Barack "learned his lesson well."

John L. McKnight –McKnight taught Barack about community organizing while they were both working with the Gamaliel Foundation – a Saul Alinsky production.

Reverend Jeremiah Wright – "Uncle J" was Barack's former pastor and mentor at Trinity United Church of Christ. The philosophy of the Church is based on the teachings of James Cone's black liberation theology. Cone admits that his theology is a mix of "black religion and Marxist philosophy."

Father Michael Pfleger –He has received hundreds of thousands of dollars in earmarks and foundation grants from Obama and has contributed to Barack's multiple political campaigns. Father Pfleger spews fiery racial sermons and gives his support and admiration to Louis Farrakhan. According to Wright's Trumpet magazine, Pfleger also claims he "got very educated by the Black]Panthers

William Ayers – Mr. Ayers is an unrepentant domestic terrorist and an anti-capitalist. He was a leader of the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) in the 1960's and one of the militant spin-offs, the terrorist Weather Underground organization. These organizations were comprised of communist ("small 'c'") and anti-capitalist

Bernardine Dohrn – She is the wife of Bill Ayers and a former radical herself. Dohrn was the leader of the Revolutionary Youth Movement of the SDS and the Weather Underground. She was also a signatory of the Weather Underground's "Declaration of War" against the United States. She was a communist (Marxist-Leninist)

Mike Klonsky – He was a Maoist, a former SDS national chairman (1968), and formed the "October League" when the SDS broke into several factions. The October League later became the Beijing-recognized U.S. Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist), of which Klonsky became a leader in the 70's

Marilyn Katz – She oversaw security for the SDS, where she met Ayers. She was part of the Committee of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism, which organized the 2002 anti-war speech in Chicago where Barack Obama famously spoke out against the Iraq War.

Carl Davidson – He was a former leader of the SDS and a Maoist, like Klonsky. He was also one of the organizers for the 2002 anti-war speech..

Bill Fletcher – As mentioned, he was a 60's radical (a Maoist) and is one of the creators of the Progressives for Obama website.

Cornel West – Mr. West defines his political ideology as "non-Marxist socialist." He is an anti-capitalist and honorary chair of the Democratic Socialists of America.

Alice Palmer – She is a former executive board member of the U.S. Peace Council (a communist front group), which is an affiliate of the World Peace Council (a Soviet front group).

Antoin "Tony" Rezko –Barack has obtained millions of dollars in grants for Rezko to build inner-city housing. Tony Rezko was recently convicted of several felonies involving corruption and kickbacks to

Rashid Khalidi – Mr. Khalidi is a Palestinian political activist and a professor at Columbia University. For six years in Beirut, he was the director of WAFA, the official Palestinian press agency where his wife had also worked as chief editor of the English section. Mr. Khalidi has also worked with the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) during the height of its terrorist campaigns in the Middle East.

Robert Malley – This former "informal" foreign policy advisor to the Obama campaign resigned in May 2008 due to allegations that he was meeting with members of the terrorist organization, Hamas.

Hugo Chavez – Venezuelan dictator


Mahmoud Ahmadinejad – President of Iran


Party of European Socialists


Louis Farrakhan – Supreme Minister, Nation of Islam
Democratic Socialists of America


Communist Party USA (CPUSA)


Frank Chapman – Member of U.S. Peace Council Executive Committee (an FBI-identified communist front group)


Mark Solomon – National co-chair, Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism


Joel Wendland – Managing editor of CPUSA online magazine Political Affairs: Marxist Thought Online


Pepe Lozano – Leader in the Chicago Youth Communist League and editorial board member of CPUSA newspaper, People's World Weekly

Belly35;903396 wrote:I get it.. Because Steve Chapmane donated to Bush, Dole and McCain that makes him a Republican so any type of relationship to those individuals deems Steve Chapman a Republican. Correct?

OK .... How about this list and the relationship to Obama: what does this make Obama?

According to some, Obama is the 2nd coming of Reagan, so all of those folks you listed must be Adam Smith-reading, William F. Buckley-admiring, Heritage Foundation-loving, conservatives. Right, Boat? :rolleyes:

Belly35;903396 wrote:
Stanley Ann Dunham – Barack's mother was a 60's liberal feminist and an atheist – all the makings of a rebellious, 60's-era, left-wing radical.

Hugo Chavez – Venezuelan dictator


Mahmoud Ahmadinejad – President of Iran




Louis Farrakhan – Supreme Minister, Nation of Islam

No.1-So President Obama's mother was a man?

2.ARe you saying Obama had/has personal relationships with those three men? If you believe that...you should be banished from this forum because it would be the most un-intelligent,blinded by hatred of Obama statement I have ever heard. What personal relationship does President Obama with Chavez or Ahmadinejad? And you do realize that Farrakhan hates his guts right?

Also Belly....President Obama doesn't have personal relationship at least half of the people on your list.....your own statements prove that

And before you jump on Tony Rezko...I bet alot of you didn't know this little nugget:

Rezko co-chaired a multimillion-dollar fund-raiser for President George W. Bush in 2003.

Of course! I should have known that Obama's European socialist views were Bush's fault.:rolleyes:

BGFalcons82;903408 wrote:According to some, Obama is the 2nd coming of Reagan, so all of those folks you listed must be Adam Smith-reading, William F. Buckley-admiring, Heritage Foundation-loving, conservatives. Right, Boat? :rolleyes:

I think you're being funny but if not you're mischaracterizing anything I've ever said on the matter. All I've ever said was Barack Obama is NOT a radical leftist at least in the manner in which he has governed. To demonstrate I've compared his record to previous republican presidents. His new proposal for deficit reduction is more conservative than the average american and his jobs plan is not liberal by any stretch of the imagination...I mean for heaven sake he wants to cut spending or raise other taxes to pay for his tax cutting jobs proposal...something which will hurt any stimulative effect in the short run and is more conservative and more in line with classical economics than any Republican president since Eisenhower. Imagine if the Republicans would have been so frugal when they cut tax revenue in 2001? Nevermind that it is a mistake to be concerned about short term deficit reduction at all as austerity is killing us and Europe right now.

Sure it's not Bachmann style conservatism which is devoid from any foundation in textbook economics but what you guys are failing to grasp is that just because what he has proposed is not absolutely ayn rand style fundamentalism does not make it de facto radical liberalism. I mean it's a political spectrum and you are way out in right field...way moreso than the average American and people in left field are annoyed with Obama because they say he is too far in your direction.

Every Republican Presidential Candidate's stated positions with the exception of maybe John Huntsman are much more conservative than most Americans and more so than Ronald Reagan ever acted as President. The new Republican Consensus is much farther to the right than William F. Buckley and even Milton Friedman who fervently fought against the kind of Austrian hard money "hangover theories" gaining traction which are about as worthwhile as the phlogiston theory of fire.

But really this debate isn't worth having again as nothing short of a revelation from God would convince you that BHO isn't out to turn America into a Communist Country.

Yeah, Boat, I was jerkin your chain a little.

I think we have a word definition problem, you and I. Many times, you interchange "Republican" with "conservative". You refer to Republican Presidents as all being from the conservative side or having said leanings. This is a fallacy. Conservatism is not about redistributing wealth. It is not about stimulus as the first course of economic correction. It is not about the federal government "creating jobs". It is not about spending people's money that does not exist. It is not about generational theft. It is not about a government solution to every problem/malady/sniffly nose. It is not about raising taxes.

It is about unleashing the Amedican spirit to allow people to be the best they can be. For example, I heard Kurt Ziebart passed away recently. He came to America for the promise of freedom and made a fortune with skill, hard work and determination to be the best. I can't post links from this phone, but I will when I get a chance - http://articles.boston.com/2011-09-16/news/30165720_1_proofing-rust-auto

Finally, I don't need a divine event to change my mind about Obama. I'm thinkin someone else we know could use one

BoatShoes;903474 wrote:But really this debate isn't worth having again as nothing short of a revelation from God would convince you that BHO isn't out to turn America into a Communist Country.

I can't speak for BG, but I don't need divine intervention to see clearly that Barry wants us to be a Socialist Country.

Apparently Obama doesn't do what Obama says.

[video=youtube;aufAtuTwKlE][/video]

Obama: "You don't raise taxes during a recession."

Oops. I would like to see a reporter ask Obama about that interview and his sudden change of heart.

majorspark;903617 wrote:Oops. I would like to see a reporter ask Obama about that interview and his sudden change of heart.

Don't hold your breathe.

majorspark;903617 wrote:Oops. I would like to see a reporter ask Obama about that interview and his sudden change of heart.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Which member of the lapdog press were thinking might do this? Anyway, they don't have time. They're all too busy lining up their energies to make sure Obama gets re-elected.

believer;903565 wrote:I can't speak for BG, but I don't need divine intervention to see clearly that Barry wants us to be a Socialist Country.

That's because with divine intervention you wouldn't be seeing through such "OMG SOCIALISM AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGG" tinted glasses.

I Wear Pants;903674 wrote:That's because with divine intervention you wouldn't be seeing through such "OMG SOCIALISM AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGG" tinted glasses.

True. I forgot to see that the Bammer's $875 Billion Porkulus Sammich, ObamaKare, Government Motors/UAW bailout, and now his desire to increase taxes by $1.5 trillion on those eeeeevil millionaires makes the man the most pro-business/pro-capitalist POTUS in my lifetime.

Time for me to make an appointment with my optometrist.

Writerbuckeye;903643 wrote:LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Which member of the lapdog press were thinking might do this? Anyway, they don't have time. They're all too busy lining up their energies to make sure Obama gets re-elected.

I disagree, like I do with the Al Gore "BS" audio that was linked. It isn't this particular piece, or in Gore's situation that few seconds, that define the talk. It is the whole thing. It is all blubberish. These people are truly clueless about anything re business.

believer;903979 wrote:True. I forgot to see that the Bammer's $875 Billion Porkulus Sammich, ObamaKare, Government Motors/UAW bailout, and now his desire to increase taxes by $1.5 trillion on those eeeeevil millionaires makes the man the most pro-business/pro-capitalist POTUS in my lifetime.

Time for me to make an appointment with my optometrist.

When did I say he was the most pro-business/pro-capitalist POTUS?

How is it so difficult for you to comprehend that maybe, just maybe, Obama isn't Karl Marx?