I Wear Pants;818315 wrote:I think the problem here is no one has said Obama is awesome. Yet anytime someone says something in defense or tries to argue a counter point against a "Obama is bad because" reason we're met with a "oh yeah your messiah/god/whatever" crap.

It's dumb.

So is pretending anyone with questions about Obama's past is crazy. The birther thing was insane, that's for sure. But even I am kind of curious as to why there isn't a lot of stuff on Obama's academic past. Not that I think I'm necessarily entitled to know but I am curious.


Of course we look small by comparison, Obama's black.

/**** joke

stlouiedipalma;818332 wrote:The birther comment is just a reaction to your natural progression to questioning his academic record. Trump tried that when it was apparent that his challenge to Obama's birth certificate had failed. Since you followed suit, I had to figure that you were trying the same failed ploy.


As I stated before, not one single U.S. President has had to undergo the type of scrutiny that those of your ilk put Obama under. I have been critical of other Presidents but I never questioned their heritage.

fish82;818482 wrote:Me either...probably because no other POTUS has ever had such a murky heritage open to question. It was uncharted territory, and his opponents thought they had something and ran with it. Don't act like you people wouldn't have done the same thing.

tk421;818290 wrote:Uh huh, I like how getting rid of 50% of the population will make the country better. I'm sure it would. Anyone who isn't a liberal is automatically a right wing nut, right?

stlouiedipalma;818558 wrote:BTW, of all those Presidents you listed GHWB has probably the most impressive credentials of them all. An entire lifetime spent in public service, and in my opinion a better President than most liberals will admit.

Manhattan Buckeye;818488 wrote:"It was uncharted territory, "

Indeed, in my lifetime:

W: governor of Texas

Clinton: governor of Arkansas

GHWB: CIA director

Reagan: governor of California

Carter: governor of Georgia

How does Obama's experience match up with this?

Thinthickbigred;818586 wrote:NO I just dont like that far right 10% fringe that puts the GOP agenda together ... Its a good thing they dont know how to put a ticket together ... I think McCain would have been a good president ..But his running mate ????? cmon that was absurd That old man dies and then what ???? Atleast Obama has a qualified backup .....I dont like the far far left either Im a middle grounder ..I like this president I think its a great thing having him as our leader and it does so much more good than harm .. He has done a very good job ...We got that SOB didnt we .. He will end our wars over seas ..Leave him in office

stlouiedipalma;818302 wrote:The ****ing Bush presidency is the main reason why the economy tanked in the first place. Why is it that you continue to deny this?

stlouiedipalma;818295 wrote:
Yeah, Bush was really down to earth. Tell that to the families of the 4,000+ he sent to their deaths FOR A LIE.

stlouiedipalma;818310 wrote:Well, Manhattan Birther, I'm being argumentative because birthers like you have no basis for your claims. I can't recall any President of the United Staes who has had his citizenship and background brought into scrutiny like this one. Ultimately it makes those like you who question his heritage and background look small by comparison.

Writerbuckeye;818718 wrote:Because it's not true. Both parties are at fault and if you want to get REALLY technical -- the whole mortgage meltdown began with a Democrat policy of trying to fudge numbers so unqualified people could get home mortgages. Well, they got them alright -- and then they couldn't afford them.

The policy began under Carter (Community Reinvestment Act), was expanded greatly under Clinton, who had his administration put an emphasis on using it, and was allowed to go unchecked via Freddie and Fannie Mae (Congress didn't do its job and oversee these runaway agencies).

Hell, Bush at least tried to reign in Fannie and Freddie at one point but got shot down by the black caucus and Barnie Frank, who vehemently insisted there was nothing wrong with either of them or the mortgages they were approving. The video has been out on YouTube forever -- just Google it.

You and liberals everywhere can keep saying the economic crash was all Bush's fault as much as you want -- but that doesn't change the facts.

Don't forget, when all this mess was beginning to crash, the current occupant of the White House was a US Senator. What exactly did he do to help prevent things from getting worse while he was there? Oh, that's right...nothing.

So stop the partisan rhetoric on this issue. People from both parties got us deep into this mess, and Obama and Congress have made it 10 times worse by throwing billions at it that didn't do a damn bit of good, and may well end up making it all worse when history is finally written on this issue.

Writerbuckeye;818718 wrote:Because it's not true. Both parties are at fault and if you want to get REALLY technical -- the whole mortgage meltdown began with a Democrat policy of trying to fudge numbers so unqualified people could get home mortgages. Well, they got them alright -- and then they couldn't afford them.

The policy began under Carter (Community Reinvestment Act), was expanded greatly under Clinton, who had his administration put an emphasis on using it, and was allowed to go unchecked via Freddie and Fannie Mae (Congress didn't do its job and oversee these runaway agencies).

Hell, Bush at least tried to reign in Fannie and Freddie at one point but got shot down by the black caucus and Barnie Frank, who vehemently insisted there was nothing wrong with either of them or the mortgages they were approving. The video has been out on YouTube forever -- just Google it.

You and liberals everywhere can keep saying the economic crash was all Bush's fault as much as you want -- but that doesn't change the facts.

Don't forget, when all this mess was beginning to crash, the current occupant of the White House was a US Senator. What exactly did he do to help prevent things from getting worse while he was there? Oh, that's right...nothing.

So stop the partisan rhetoric on this issue. People from both parties got us deep into this mess, and Obama and Congress have made it 10 times worse by throwing billions at it that didn't do a damn bit of good, and may well end up making it all worse when history is finally written on this issue.

Footwedge;818186 wrote:McCain mirrored virtually every political point that W did. The only one that differed....was McCain's denouncement of torture, something Bush whacked his pud to. Most importantly, he mirrored the same old crap on intervention, endless wars and world hegemony. Nary the teeniest thought regarding the trillions these needless wars have cost and will continue to cost. Educated Americans, in particular the independents, had had enough of W and his growing nose. That is why McCain lost. You can blame the media for every ail of the world all you want. The fact is....W was as ****ty of a president that I can ever remember. Oh I know...it was liberal media that put W's approval rate in the low twenties.

stlouiedipalma;818302 wrote:The ****ing Bush presidency is the main reason why the economy tanked in the first place. Why is it that you continue to deny this?

stlouiedipalma;818332 wrote:
As I stated before, not one single U.S. President has had to undergo the type of scrutiny that those of your ilk put Obama under. I have been critical of other Presidents but I never questioned their heritage.

Writerbuckeye;819050 wrote:God forbid, we can't have the truth be told about someone as opposed to the fictional version we're subjected to seeing every night in the MSM.

Writerbuckeye;819050 wrote:Obama HID and refused to release all his records from his time before becoming a politician, especially his college years. That stuff has always been available to the public from other presidents and candidates; why hide it? Why doesn't he want us to see all the great stuff he wrote as editor of the Law Review...unless of course he didn't write much of anything (likely)? Why not release your transcripts and any other records of your college years, unless you were a so-so student and didn't excel at much of anything (again likely). God forbid, we can't have the truth be told about someone as opposed to the fictional version we're subjected to seeing every night in the MSM.

jmog;819027 wrote:You can't be serious with this, if you truly believe the economy tanking was all, or even mostly Bush's fault, and not the fault of both parties in Washington, then you are ignorant of how the economy actually crashed. You apparently just take MSNBC as gospel truth.

stlouiedipalma;819517 wrote:Let's see. The economy falls off the cliff in 2008. The right-wing folks who polulate this forum say it can't have anything to do with eight years of Bush's policies. No, let's blame it on Congress, even though the R's controlled it for 6 of Bush's 8 years in office.

Fast forward to 2011. The economy, although no longer on the brink of total disaster, is floundering and the recovery is stalling. According to the right-wing folks who populate this forum, it's all Obama's fault.

That, my friend, is a classic double standard.

stlouiedipalma;819509 wrote:Writer, this sounds similar to your claims that Obama spent "millions" in keeping his birth certificate a secret. You couldn't provide one single piece of evidence to support those claims, despite my repeated requests. How can we take your additional claims seriously?