I agree it's failure. But, how do you get to 60?gut;1109450 wrote:They do their job. The POTUS shows leadership. It's inexcuseable. Failure on all fronts. Don't tell me about compromise - they were just 2 Dems short of 60 votes for the first two years and still no budget. That pins the failure of compromise pretty squarely on one party.
I mean, once, yeah it happened before. Twice, unprecedented but ok. Three years in a row?!?
Might start with the POTUS showing some leadership submitting a budget that compromises on both sides. But he's not doing that.ptown_trojans_1;1109453 wrote:I agree it's failure. But, how do you get to 60?
No one here know how.
You can't strong arm 60, it's been tried.
Naw....Nevadians love Federal handout's just like the rest of us.gut;1109480 wrote:You're right, we can't fire them all. But we can fire at least one. It's a crisis of leadership, and #$@*!#$ Nevada should have given Reid the boot in 2010.
If I'm not mistaken, budgets are not allowed to be filibustered. So he only needs 51 votes.ptown_trojans_1;1109432 wrote:If you can figure out a way to pass a budget that will get 60 votes, by all means come here to the area and explain it.
Under the Senate rules now, anything major, like a budget is near impossible.
No one party wants to move, compromise, give and take. As a result, the Senate passes CR after CR, with small budgets done each year (DOD, intell, DHS).
Good luck to whoever is President next, as I doubt any one party will get 60 votes. Getting anything done budget wise and debt wise with compromise will be impossible.
Yeah, but fortunately no matter how much the MSM tries to ignore it, voters know the economy sucks when they go to vote.Manhattan Buckeye;1109793 wrote:The headline is 8.3% unemployment. In '04 Bush would be impeached, in '12 Obama is lauded. This country deserves to fail.
Reconciliation....since it's supposed to be used for budgetary matters instead of healthcare bills, I'd start there...since the precedent has already been set and all. Sorry, but the "wah, can't get to 60" argument was slapped down early on by that event.ptown_trojans_1;1109453 wrote:I agree it's failure. But, how do you get to 60?
No one here know how.
You can't strong arm 60, it's been tried.
Yeah I noticed this too. I remember a time not long ago when anything above 5% was cause for alarm for any incumbent POTUS. Now the Obama-loving MSM wants everyone to celebrate because the rate has dropped from 9% to 8.3%.Manhattan Buckeye;1109793 wrote:The headline is 8.3% unemployment. In '04 Bush would be impeached, in '12 Obama is lauded. This country deserves to fail.
It's HILARIOUS to see his supporters pointing to GWB as a basis of their argument of why Obama will be re-elected. GWB - the POTUS these people HATED passoinately and called one of the worst, if not THE worst, Presidents in US history. That is now their standard for Obama.believer;1110499 wrote:Yeah I noticed this too. I remember a time not long ago when anything above 5% was cause for alarm for any incumbent POTUS. Now the Obama-loving MSM wants everyone to celebrate because the rate has dropped from 9% to 8.3%.
This crap never ceases to amaze me.
gut;1110801 wrote:It's HILARIOUS to see his supporters pointing to GWB as a basis of their argument of why Obama will be re-elected. GWB - the POTUS these people HATED passoinately and called one of the worst, if not THE worst, Presidents in US history. That is now their standard for Obama.
And the simple fact of the matter is that the economy is not nearly in the toilet in 2004 that it is now. Much worse, in fact, than even 1992 when incumbent HWB looked like a lock for re-election.
....and the fact that things are even WORSE in 2012.Thread Bomber;1111003 wrote:Unfortunately for your statement, everyone remembers how bad things were in 2008....
Pipeline? Did you say pipeline? We don't need no stinkin' pipeline. We just need to start using gubmint mass transit and all is well.HitsRus;1111118 wrote:...and gas prices jumped another 25 cents overnite. No relief now...none in the "pipeline" either.
And don't forget to keep your tires inflatedbeliever;1111137 wrote:Pipeline? Did you say pipeline? We don't need no stinkin' pipeline. We just need to start using gubmint mass transit and all is well.
THAT is the best way to get your MPGs up about 25%....remember???
believer;1111040 wrote:....and the fact that things are even WORSE in 2012.
This post here exemplifies the reasons why I would love to see Romney win. Absolutely love it. Somehow Romney will wave his magic "business success" wand and voila! The unemployment problem disappears, government growth stops, the national debt descends and Iran quits making nuclear bombs.gut;1109926 wrote:Yeah, but fortunately no matter how much the MSM tries to ignore it, voters know the economy sucks when they go to vote.
My biggest concern with Romney, more than anything, is the class warfare game and how MSM is really going to cast him as the media. They've already started a bit with his private equity background - oh, wait, you mean it's NOT just like that movie Wall Street?!?
God forbid this country elect someone who's been SUCCESSFUL in the real world and has some practical understanding and experience with business and economics....as opposed to the career community organizer presiding over the worst economy in nearly a century.
If it comes down to a choice between Obama the Magic Negro and Willard....well I guess I'll take my chances with the Guvna from Marxistchusetts.Footwedge;1111276 wrote:This post here exemplifies the reasons why I would love to see Romney win. Absolutely love it. Somehow Romney will wave his magic "business success" wand and voila! The unemployment problem disappears, government growth stops, the national debt descends and Iran quits making nuclear bombs.
Does anyone really think those things will happen?
Then, when none of those things happen, the traditional GOPers will all be in defense mode. I remember it well....from 03 to 08.
8.3% unemployment is definitely horrible. In fact worse than horrible. And what makes it worse, the N.D. has increased almost 6 trillion with government expansion which is truly mind boggling.Manhattan Buckeye;1109793 wrote:The headline is 8.3% unemployment. In '04 Bush would be impeached, in '12 Obama is lauded. This country deserves to fail.
One of the advantages of falling in line with most libertarian views and labeled a Paulbot is that, no matter which side is in power, I can bitch and moan without a worry. Life's great.believer;1111280 wrote:If it comes down to a choice between Obama the Magic Negro and Willard....well I guess I'll take my chances with the Guvna from Marxistchusetts.