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unique_67
Posts: 167
Nov 21, 2009 3:16pm
In no way does this mean a final bill for healthcare is a certainty, but the train is slowly moving forward. And, for those of us who believe the present system we have is in need of repair/change, this is a positive piece of news.
Motion to begin Senate floor debate on health reform likely to pass
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/21/AR2009112101380.html
Motion to begin Senate floor debate on health reform likely to pass
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/21/AR2009112101380.html
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Elliot Stabler
Posts: 388
Nov 21, 2009 3:53pm
Don't worry...
It'll pass the Senate before New Year's day
It'll pass the Senate before New Year's day
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Nov 21, 2009 3:55pm
Yes, it does. They only need 51 votes to pass it after they throw everything back in that they took out in order to get the 60 votes for cloture.In no way does this mean a final bill for healthcare is a certainty
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Nov 21, 2009 3:57pm
Everyone had better go buy some gold while people will still take money in exchange for it.
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unique_67
Posts: 167
Nov 21, 2009 4:05pm
I hope you are correct, and provided the motion does pass tonight when The Senate votes, that means the creation of an actual bill which can pass in BOTH the House and Senate becomes a reality.Cleveland Buck wrote:Yes, it does. They only need 51 votes to pass it after they throw everything back in that they took out in order to get the 60 votes for cloture.In no way does this mean a final bill for healthcare is a certainty
believer
Posts: 8,153
Nov 21, 2009 5:49pm
The Feds have done such a wonderful job with Social Security and Medicare why wouldn't we want them to fix health care? :dodgy:
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Nov 21, 2009 6:26pm
It's nice that they are hurrying the vote on this bill when it won't even come into effect until 2013 or so. Man, I can feel the concern for our fellow Americans who are dieing by the bucket full without insurance. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Elliot Stabler
Posts: 388
Nov 21, 2009 9:08pm
You keep believing that my friendccrunner609 wrote: The DEms will be signing off and losing more then 1/2 their seats and the presidency when they do.
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Nov 21, 2009 9:30pm
Just like you keep believing that we need this bill and it will actually lower the deficit.Elliot Stabler wrote:You keep believing that my friendccrunner609 wrote: The DEms will be signing off and losing more then 1/2 their seats and the presidency when they do.
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Elliot Stabler
Posts: 388
Nov 21, 2009 9:33pm
We do...and it willtk421 wrote:Just like you keep believing that we need this bill and it will actually lower the deficit.Elliot Stabler wrote:You keep believing that my friendccrunner609 wrote: The DEms will be signing off and losing more then 1/2 their seats and the presidency when they do.
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bman618
Posts: 151
Nov 21, 2009 10:20pm
This is one of the worst bills in American history. And as everyone knows government always underestimates cost. Not to mention Waxman has said this is just the beginning and opens the road for more government health care programs.
Hopefully some of the states will consider nullification.
Hopefully some of the states will consider nullification.
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Nov 21, 2009 10:21pm
Yeah, right. And I'm going to win the lottery.
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Nov 21, 2009 10:38pm
When the CBO scores these bills they do not take into account future repercussions, like the number of people who will be forced on the public option. Using history as a guide, we can be sure that this will cost at least 5-10 times what they are projecting. So once they add everything back in the bill in conference it will be rescored at like $1.3 trillion or so, and if you multiply that by ten you have a $13 trillion health care bill on top of a $12 trillion debt and annual deficits, not including the health care debacle, of a couple trillion per year. Yeah, this country stands a chance of surviving that.
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2trap_4ever
Posts: 38
Nov 21, 2009 10:38pm
Remember this is from the party whose President told us that his stimulus needed to be passed so unemployment wouldn't go about 8 percent. Hows that working out:shy:, also how is all this hope and change working for America, we have a president that has turned his back on the troops, who is creating debt that can't be imagined, and wants to turn this country into some kind of crappy copy of a Western Europe country.tk421 wrote:Just like you keep believing that we need this bill and it will actually lower the deficit.Elliot Stabler wrote:You keep believing that my friendccrunner609 wrote: The DEms will be signing off and losing more then 1/2 their seats and the presidency when they do.
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Elliot Stabler
Posts: 388
Nov 21, 2009 10:43pm
This is the kinda bullshit that pisses me off.2trap_4ever wrote:we have a president that has turned his back on the troops,.tk421 wrote:Just like you keep believing that we need this bill and it will actually lower the deficit.Elliot Stabler wrote:You keep believing that my friendccrunner609 wrote: The DEms will be signing off and losing more then 1/2 their seats and the presidency when they do.
Please explain to me how in the hell he has turned his back on the troops??
YOu can't because he hasn't
Turn off Rush and Hannity and start thinking for yourself
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Nov 21, 2009 11:01pm
Look. The democrats in power right now are all working on the final goal of having a single payer government health insurance.
Obama - check
Emmanuel - check
Barney FRank - check
I mean, youtube is just full of this stuff. When you think "single payer" think social security. Just imagine one big ole social security health insurance program. And then think about how far in debt that S.S. is.
But hey, we can all have that warmy feeling inside and that's what counts, right?
:-/ :huh:
Obama - check
Emmanuel - check
Barney FRank - check
I mean, youtube is just full of this stuff. When you think "single payer" think social security. Just imagine one big ole social security health insurance program. And then think about how far in debt that S.S. is.
But hey, we can all have that warmy feeling inside and that's what counts, right?
:-/ :huh:
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Nov 21, 2009 11:08pm
It's not even funny. No American for a long time (if ever again) will ever see the standard of living we have all known our whole lives.
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Elliot Stabler
Posts: 388
Nov 21, 2009 11:09pm
I've said this for years and I'll say it again....
Republicans would rather spit on a poor/disadvantaged person than help them
Republicans would rather spit on a poor/disadvantaged person than help them
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Altor
Posts: 62
Nov 21, 2009 11:14pm
That's funny, because studies have shown that Republicans make more charitable donations than Democrats.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Nov 21, 2009 11:16pm
read the rulles... gotta source itAltor wrote: That's funny, because studies have shown that Republicans make more charitable donations than Democrats.
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spartan
Posts: 178
Nov 21, 2009 11:20pm
http://philanthropy.com/free/articles/v19/i04/04001101.htmAltor wrote: That's funny, because studies have shown that Republicans make more charitable donations than Democrats.
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Nov 21, 2009 11:23pm
And democrats want everyone to be poor/disadvantaged so that life is fair.Elliot Stabler wrote: I've said this for years and I'll say it again....
Republicans would rather spit on a poor/disadvantaged person than help them
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Altor
Posts: 62
Nov 21, 2009 11:26pm
Seriously? He makes a statement like that and you ask me to source it?LJ wrote:read the rulles... gotta source itAltor wrote: That's funny, because studies have shown that Republicans make more charitable donations than Democrats.
Fine.
http://www.google.com/search?q=republicans+donate+more+to+charity&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Nov 21, 2009 11:27pm
Here's some numbers on last years VP candidates (Biden and Palin)
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2008/10/021684.phpPalin, the running mate of presidential candidate Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), and her husband Todd reported meager earnings from 2006 and 2007, at least by presidential-politics standards.
In 2006, the Palins paid $11,944 in taxes on $127,869 in income. In 2007, they paid $24,738 on $166,080.
But in 2006, they donated $4,880 to charity, and in 2007, they donated $3,325.
By contrast, Biden (D-Del.), Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's running mate, has donated a total of $3,690 since 1998 despite his higher Senate salary, according to an analysis posted by National Review.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Nov 21, 2009 11:31pm
He posted an opinion, you named a study. He didn't present is opinion as a fact.Altor wrote:Seriously? He makes a statement like that and you ask me to source it?LJ wrote:read the rulles... gotta source itAltor wrote: That's funny, because studies have shown that Republicans make more charitable donations than Democrats.
Fine.
http://www.google.com/search?q=republicans+donate+more+to+charity&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a