
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Jun 7, 2010 10:53am
Once again this Obama Public Servant and his Clown Administration had created yet another situation that will only create additional devastation to the Gulf area population and the American economy.
More job losses and high gas/fuel pricing ………. and a bonus of more dependent on foreign oil ....
Incompetency breeds more incompetencies as is witness via Obama
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-06-04/obama-s-drill-ban-may-trigger-job-losses-slow-gains-update1-.html
http://www.khou.com/news/Job-losses-feared-as-president-restricts-drilling-projects--95087734.html
http://thehayride.com/2010/06/louisiana-gop-hammers-obama-on-drilling-ban/
More job losses and high gas/fuel pricing ………. and a bonus of more dependent on foreign oil ....
Incompetency breeds more incompetencies as is witness via Obama
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-06-04/obama-s-drill-ban-may-trigger-job-losses-slow-gains-update1-.html
http://www.khou.com/news/Job-losses-feared-as-president-restricts-drilling-projects--95087734.html
http://thehayride.com/2010/06/louisiana-gop-hammers-obama-on-drilling-ban/
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Jun 7, 2010 11:52am
I'm sorry, until we get this mess cleaned up, the monitoring and oversight system fixed and ensure this does not happen again, no more drilling.
Think of it like Three Mile Island. But, hopefully, the industry comes back quicker.
Think of it like Three Mile Island. But, hopefully, the industry comes back quicker.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jun 7, 2010 12:01pm
ptown_trojans_1;381561 wrote:I'm sorry, until we get this mess cleaned up, the monitoring and oversight system fixed and ensure this does not happen again, no more drilling.
Assumes facts not in evidence. Also, if the idea is to wait until there is zero chance of another incident, you'll be waiting a hell of a long time.

Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Jun 7, 2010 12:05pm
Ridiculous. It's an over-reaction.
How many offshore drilling platforms are there in operation right now throughout the world? It's in the hundreds, I'm sure.
And we've had this ONE terrible problem.
How about we find out what went wrong with THIS platform before we panic and stop moving forward with a very necessary part of our energy program.
The odds would seem to indicate that the problem isn't with the technology -- and that something very specific happened to cause this rig disaster.
How many offshore drilling platforms are there in operation right now throughout the world? It's in the hundreds, I'm sure.
And we've had this ONE terrible problem.
How about we find out what went wrong with THIS platform before we panic and stop moving forward with a very necessary part of our energy program.
The odds would seem to indicate that the problem isn't with the technology -- and that something very specific happened to cause this rig disaster.
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Al Capone
Posts: 1,727
Jun 7, 2010 12:11pm
Just another example that Obama and his puppets are way in over their head.

jhay78
Posts: 1,917
Jun 7, 2010 12:19pm
I said this on another thread- to quote Rahm Emanuel: "You never want a good crisis to go to waste". What better opportunity to advance a leftist agenda than a catastrophic oil spill?
http://www.climatechangefraud.com/political-exasperations/7064-never-let-a-good-crisis-go-to-waste
A quote from Obama:
http://www.climatechangefraud.com/political-exasperations/7064-never-let-a-good-crisis-go-to-waste
A quote from Obama:
No but they're on track to be held hostage by idiotic leftist energy policies."The next generation will not be held hostage to energy sources from the last century,"
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Jun 7, 2010 12:53pm
Yes, one, just one, but the damage of the one is enough to make us stop and pause and see if in fact it is a system wide issue.
I'm not an expert on the issue, I'll admit. But, I'd like to know abnd a review of the whole system, from the regulators to the CEO, to the officials making inspections to the workers on the rigs that this does not happen again and we do have a "nearly" fullproof system.
A couple month review process, and implementing changes on both the private and public level I think is needed.
Again, think of it as a Three Mile Island situation. One bad disaster, but leading to new regulations and safeguards to protect us.
I'm not an expert on the issue, I'll admit. But, I'd like to know abnd a review of the whole system, from the regulators to the CEO, to the officials making inspections to the workers on the rigs that this does not happen again and we do have a "nearly" fullproof system.
A couple month review process, and implementing changes on both the private and public level I think is needed.
Again, think of it as a Three Mile Island situation. One bad disaster, but leading to new regulations and safeguards to protect us.

krazie45
Posts: 1,055
Jun 7, 2010 1:05pm
ptown_trojans_1;381606 wrote:Again, think of it as a Three Mile Island situation. One bad disaster, but leading to new regulations and safeguards to protect us.
What good has come of our reaction to the Three Mile Island situation? Other than we refuse to expand upon one of the world's best sources of energy. Energy that is clean and usable right now. One event 30 years ago is STILL affecting our policy today despite our advances in technology and safeguards. The fact is that the American people can't afford for gas to go back up to $4 a gallon again. The important thing is to not overreact and that's EXACTLY what this administration is doing unfortunately.
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bigmanbt
Posts: 258
Jun 7, 2010 1:30pm
1) I need to dispell the myth here that nuclear power is an answer to cheap energy. Article http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=8792
Excerpt from the article:
"Pro-nuclear groups herald the coming flood of applications as proof that nuclear energy makes economic sense. Nonsense. The only reason investors are interested: government handouts. Absent those subsidies, investor interest would be zero.
A cold-blooded examination of the industry's numbers bears this out. Tufts economist Gilbert Metcalf concludes that the total cost of juice from a new nuclear plant today is 4.31 cents per kilowatt-hour. That's far more than electricity from a conventional coal-fired plant (3.53 cents) or "clean coal" plant (3.55 cents). When he takes away everyone's tax subsidies, however, Metcalf finds that nuclear power is even less competitive (5.94 cents per kwh versus 3.79 cents and 4.37 cents, respectively).
Nuclear energy investments are riskier than investments in coal- or gas-fired electricity. High upfront costs and long construction times mean investors have to wait years to get their money back. The problem here is not just the cost per watt, several times that of a gas plant, but the fact that nuclear plants are big. Result: The upfront capital investment can be 10 to 15 times as great as for a small gas-fired turbine."
Nuclear plants are just the right-wing answer to solar power. Neither are very economically sound, coal and gas are much more economical, especially after you get rid of the ridiculous tax subsidies nuclear power plants receive or the guaranteed loans they receive.
2) I think the fact that we have to drill 2 miles under the ocean floor to get oil is a sign of something. Not that we need to switch to "green" energy like Barry Soetoro (lol) says, but that we need to drill in much safer places, like ANWR, where oil would be easily accessible. We risk hurting wildlife more through risky drilling in offshore wells than we EVER would drilling in ANWR. Besides, many animals use the warmth of the pipeline as shelter, so I don't see how a pipeline would hurt the wildlife in ANWR.
Excerpt from the article:
"Pro-nuclear groups herald the coming flood of applications as proof that nuclear energy makes economic sense. Nonsense. The only reason investors are interested: government handouts. Absent those subsidies, investor interest would be zero.
A cold-blooded examination of the industry's numbers bears this out. Tufts economist Gilbert Metcalf concludes that the total cost of juice from a new nuclear plant today is 4.31 cents per kilowatt-hour. That's far more than electricity from a conventional coal-fired plant (3.53 cents) or "clean coal" plant (3.55 cents). When he takes away everyone's tax subsidies, however, Metcalf finds that nuclear power is even less competitive (5.94 cents per kwh versus 3.79 cents and 4.37 cents, respectively).
Nuclear energy investments are riskier than investments in coal- or gas-fired electricity. High upfront costs and long construction times mean investors have to wait years to get their money back. The problem here is not just the cost per watt, several times that of a gas plant, but the fact that nuclear plants are big. Result: The upfront capital investment can be 10 to 15 times as great as for a small gas-fired turbine."
Nuclear plants are just the right-wing answer to solar power. Neither are very economically sound, coal and gas are much more economical, especially after you get rid of the ridiculous tax subsidies nuclear power plants receive or the guaranteed loans they receive.
2) I think the fact that we have to drill 2 miles under the ocean floor to get oil is a sign of something. Not that we need to switch to "green" energy like Barry Soetoro (lol) says, but that we need to drill in much safer places, like ANWR, where oil would be easily accessible. We risk hurting wildlife more through risky drilling in offshore wells than we EVER would drilling in ANWR. Besides, many animals use the warmth of the pipeline as shelter, so I don't see how a pipeline would hurt the wildlife in ANWR.

j_crazy
Posts: 8,372
Jun 7, 2010 1:44pm
it's a knee jerk reaction to a horrible incident. can't blame him for doing it, but IMO it was not the right call and it's not what 70% of Louisianans want.
I know I'm biased, but I think a 60 day moratorium would have sufficed, that would allow everyone to step back, take a deep breath (because honestly every company was scared shitless that this could've been them), take a look at what we have in place vs what we need in place, and get back to it. this 6 month to indefinite thing, its not gonna help the oil companies do anything better, it's going to allow the government more time to put harsher (possibly unnecessary) rules in place. it's not sending the right message to anyone who's not on capital hill IMO.
I know I'm biased, but I think a 60 day moratorium would have sufficed, that would allow everyone to step back, take a deep breath (because honestly every company was scared shitless that this could've been them), take a look at what we have in place vs what we need in place, and get back to it. this 6 month to indefinite thing, its not gonna help the oil companies do anything better, it's going to allow the government more time to put harsher (possibly unnecessary) rules in place. it's not sending the right message to anyone who's not on capital hill IMO.

sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 7, 2010 1:56pm
Dumb, absolutely dumb.
I think there needs to be higher safety standards to ensure that something like this never happens again, but let's keep drilling.
I think there needs to be higher safety standards to ensure that something like this never happens again, but let's keep drilling.

tk421
Posts: 8,500
Jun 7, 2010 2:48pm
$4 gas here we come!

SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Jun 7, 2010 2:49pm
I think we should ban people who voted for him from voting. That makes as much sense...

tk421
Posts: 8,500
Jun 7, 2010 8:01pm
Any hope of the economy recovering will disappear quicker than fried chicken at Oprah's if gas hits close to $4 because of this.

believer
Posts: 8,153
Jun 7, 2010 8:53pm
Perhaps but Oprah can afford it at least.tk421;382153 wrote:Any hope of the economy recovering will disappear quicker than fried chicken at Oprah's if gas hits close to $4 because of this.

Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Jun 8, 2010 7:24am
What to know why America Business and the American people have no confidence in Public Servant Obama and his Administration (other that the fact America does not like socialist) and the path he is directing America....he can't make decisions and he can't lead and he is clueless and incompetent.
Now after a knee jerk reaction, lack of foresight, and poor demonstration of leadership decision the Public Servant now is reopening drilling. Reopening the drilling is the better move ….. But this is the perfect example of Obama Public Servant Half Ass Abilities.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/08/obama-reopen-offshore-oil-drilling/
Now after a knee jerk reaction, lack of foresight, and poor demonstration of leadership decision the Public Servant now is reopening drilling. Reopening the drilling is the better move ….. But this is the perfect example of Obama Public Servant Half Ass Abilities.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/08/obama-reopen-offshore-oil-drilling/
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Jun 8, 2010 9:11am
That should strike fear in all of your hearts.Obama: " I'm Talking To Gulf Experts 'So I Know Whose Ass To Kick'"
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Jun 8, 2010 9:25am
Belly-
I have not seen you weigh in yet. How do you feel that this nation's lead public servant is looking for some "Ass to kick" right now? Do you feel that is ever an appropriate course of behavior from an elected official?
I have not seen you weigh in yet. How do you feel that this nation's lead public servant is looking for some "Ass to kick" right now? Do you feel that is ever an appropriate course of behavior from an elected official?

Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Jun 8, 2010 9:36am
Does the Mexican President have the right to tell America / Az what laws should be .....NOIggyPride00;382812 wrote:Belly-
I have not seen you weigh in yet. How do you feel that this nation's lead public servant is looking for some "Ass to kick" right now? Do you feel that is ever an appropriate course of behavior from an elected official?
The what give the Public Servant the right to tell Corporation what the hell to do..... Obama does not have that right ..run your own Administration and get that right before calling out something you know nothing about. You took BP money for your pocket to get you elected give it back and then you can make more dumb ass comments.
The Public Servant needs to do his job and not tell Corporation what to do. IMO this is leading down a path of taking over BP.
Obama need to handle his side of this issue and the media needs to report his failures, the Administration failures and heads needs to be rolling in our Goverment over this situation.
Blame Blame but that does not fix the problem
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Jun 8, 2010 9:44am
Interesting you say that.Obama need to handle his side of this issue and the media needs to report his failures, the Administration failures and heads needs to be rolling in our Goverment over this situation.
Blame Blame but that does not fix the problem
He gave a commencement speech yesterday telling students the following, and I quote:
Don't point fingers. Don't make excuses. Don't pass the buck.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/08/obama-tells-graduating-class-dont-make-excuses-drawing-gop-taunt/"Don't make excuses. Take responsibility not just for your successes, but for your failures as well," he told the graduates. "The truth is, no matter how hard you work, you won't necessarily ace every class or succeed in every job. There will be times when you screw up, when you hurt the people you love, when you stray from your most deeply held values.
"And when that happens, it's the easiest thing in the world to start looking around for someone to blame. Your professor was too hard, your boss was a jerk, the coach was playing favorites, your friend just didn't understand. We see it every day out in Washington, with folks calling each other names and making all sorts of accusations on TV."
I am beginning to think our public servant has no shame when you look at the advice he gave those students and juxtapose it with how he has handled much of his presidency as far as blaming others. It is awful rich, that's for sure.

CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Jun 8, 2010 9:55am
IggyPride00;382830 wrote:Interesting you say that.
He gave a commencement speech yesterday telling students the following, and I quote:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/08/obama-tells-graduating-class-dont-make-excuses-drawing-gop-taunt/
I am beginning to think our public servant has no shame when you look at the advice he gave those students and juxtapose it with how he has handled much of his presidency as far as blaming others. It is awful rich, that's for sure.
Agreed.
I mean, what can you say about those quotes with past/current actions and responses? There is no way to "make pretty" with this.

Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Jun 8, 2010 10:06am
I see others using the term "PUBLIC SERVANT" it will only be a matter of time before others (Obama Nose Ring Follower) being to understand what a failure this Public Servant is and a Half Ass Organizer he has been.

jhay78
Posts: 1,917
Jun 8, 2010 12:29pm
IggyPride00;382830 wrote:Interesting you say that.
He gave a commencement speech yesterday telling students the following, and I quote:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/08/obama-tells-graduating-class-dont-make-excuses-drawing-gop-taunt/
I am beginning to think our public servant has no shame when you look at the advice he gave those students and juxtapose it with how he has handled much of his presidency as far as blaming others. It is awful rich, that's for sure.
He was just doing what he does best- give speeches.

Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Jun 8, 2010 12:31pm
When is watch the video of the commencement speech and listen to Obama words ......the words "Long Legged Mack Daddy" keeps coming to my mind I find that so funny.CenterBHSFan;382832 wrote:Agreed.
I mean, what can you say about those quotes with past/current actions and responses? There is no way to "make pretty" with this.
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