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Prescott
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Nov 20, 2009 2:06pm
..lead more players to consider one year in Europe instead of college basketball? It does have it's advantages. Mature competition and time to spend in the gym being the most notable.
wes_mantooth
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Nov 20, 2009 2:21pm
Maybe a little. I think it gives the kids that don't have the grades for college an option. I believe Kevin Garnett didn't have the test scores to get into college, so with the rules today, it would give him a chance.Prescott wrote: ..lead more players to consider one year in Europe instead of college basketball? It does have it's advantages. Mature competition and time to spend in the gym being the most notable.
mucalum49
Posts: 1,639
Nov 20, 2009 2:50pm
I think more people will try it but much like going to the NBA right out of high school I think it will come with mixed results. So far Jeremy Tyler isn't very successful over in Europe. I know Brandon Jennings wasn't filling up the stat sheet but I can't remember hearing that all his teammates hated him.
It could work with some guys but other good, not great players may have a twisted view of their talent and think they can do it too and then fail overseas. Much like Bryce Harper in high school baseball leaving early to play JUCO, in rare cases it makes sense but it shouldn't be attempted by everyone.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Jeremy-Tyler-s-Israeli-experience-thus-far-a-fai?urn=ncaab,200966
It could work with some guys but other good, not great players may have a twisted view of their talent and think they can do it too and then fail overseas. Much like Bryce Harper in high school baseball leaving early to play JUCO, in rare cases it makes sense but it shouldn't be attempted by everyone.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Jeremy-Tyler-s-Israeli-experience-thus-far-a-fai?urn=ncaab,200966
OSH
Posts: 4,145
Nov 20, 2009 2:52pm
I don't blame them for doing it.
You present that to me...if I was EVER that good...I'm gone.
Getting paid millions for a couple years wouldn't ever hurt me. Go back to school after that, if I want to.
You present that to me...if I was EVER that good...I'm gone.
Getting paid millions for a couple years wouldn't ever hurt me. Go back to school after that, if I want to.
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Phog Allen
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Nov 20, 2009 3:53pm
no
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Prescott
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Nov 20, 2009 4:45pm
No, what???? No, players going to Europe will have NBA success. OR. No, players will not go to Europe in lieu of college??
hoops23
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Nov 20, 2009 4:46pm
But with Kevin Garnett, ANYTHING IS POSSSSSSSIIIIIBBBBBBLLLLLLEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!wes_mantooth wrote:Maybe a little. I think it gives the kids that don't have the grades for college an option. I believe Kevin Garnett didn't have the test scores to get into college, so with the rules today, it would give him a chance.Prescott wrote: ..lead more players to consider one year in Europe instead of college basketball? It does have it's advantages. Mature competition and time to spend in the gym being the most notable.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Nov 20, 2009 4:49pm
Also, no I don't think you'll see an influx of kids going overseas. Jennings was in a special situation where he was able to bring his father and uncle I believe with him.
You may see one or two, but nothing note worthy.
In fact, Outside the lines just did a report a few days ago about a high school junior who skipped out his SR year of high school and is now playing overseas. He's not doing well at all, though financially he's doing just fine. He was one of the top prep players in California at 6'10'' and claimed the talent in San Diego wasn't up to par... so he left.
You may see one or two, but nothing note worthy.
In fact, Outside the lines just did a report a few days ago about a high school junior who skipped out his SR year of high school and is now playing overseas. He's not doing well at all, though financially he's doing just fine. He was one of the top prep players in California at 6'10'' and claimed the talent in San Diego wasn't up to par... so he left.
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milehiiu
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Nov 20, 2009 4:59pm
Brandon Jennings will be the first to tell you that his stint in Europe was no piece of cake.
Even so, I know of one kid right now who is not academically inclined as was Brandon who has siad he will be going to Europe rather than college.
Some kids are just not cut out to go to college.
The NBA and NCAA need to revisit, the one year rule. There is too much pressure for quality basketball players who are just not able to cut it in the classroom to skirt the rules in order to get into a college for one year.
If there were a method such as major league baseball has where a kid could skip going to college, it would prevent issues of like what happened in Memphis with kids having someone else take their qualifying tests for them.
Even so, I know of one kid right now who is not academically inclined as was Brandon who has siad he will be going to Europe rather than college.
Some kids are just not cut out to go to college.
The NBA and NCAA need to revisit, the one year rule. There is too much pressure for quality basketball players who are just not able to cut it in the classroom to skirt the rules in order to get into a college for one year.
If there were a method such as major league baseball has where a kid could skip going to college, it would prevent issues of like what happened in Memphis with kids having someone else take their qualifying tests for them.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 20, 2009 6:45pm
If the stupid 1 year rule would just be eliminated, we wouldn't be having this dilemma
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tiger1990
Posts: 139
Nov 20, 2009 8:30pm
saw the piece on Outside The Lines last week on Tyler. He can't even get on the floor in Israel...been fined already too. you gotta have a plan if you're going to try it...I wasn't a fan of Jennings going last year, but I'm not ashamed to say I snatched him up quick on my fantasy team
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Nate
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Nov 21, 2009 10:00am
I think we are going to see more kids do this after what Jennings is doing so far.
thedynasty1998
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Nov 21, 2009 8:07pm
I don't think its a smart decision based solely on name recognition and marketing. Sure they can make a million in Europe, but imagine if Jennings played for a NCAA school last year and how Nike would have wanted him even more because people would have known him and seen him play. I guarantee he would have made more money if he had.
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Phog Allen
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Nov 21, 2009 10:41pm
No players wont follow in Jennings footsteps. He actually cost himself money IMO. If he had played at Arizona and had a Derrick Rose type season he could have been a top 3 pick. Instead he goes to Europe and barely plays. He may have improved but IMO no more than had he spent a year in college.
I don't see it happening. You will see some cases but not some mass exodus some thought.
I don't see it happening. You will see some cases but not some mass exodus some thought.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Nov 22, 2009 8:18am
He keeps it up like he is this year. And I almost Guarantee hes sponsored by Team Jordan
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centralbucksfan
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Nov 22, 2009 12:55pm
I believe I just read an article about another HS player who bolted overseas. Don't recall his name, but his is sitting at the end of the bench, his attitude is very poor, he is not like by this teammates at all. The article was saying how much this move has hurt his NBA chances.
I honestly don't see the overseas thing taking off. We kept hearing about the NBA developmentle league stuff a few years ago or other idieas. Nothing ever seems to pan out. As miuch as the "rule" is disliked, College basketball has become so big, its still a bigger lure then anything else at the moment.
I also believe the rule will eventually be changed.
I honestly don't see the overseas thing taking off. We kept hearing about the NBA developmentle league stuff a few years ago or other idieas. Nothing ever seems to pan out. As miuch as the "rule" is disliked, College basketball has become so big, its still a bigger lure then anything else at the moment.
I also believe the rule will eventually be changed.
SQ_Crazies
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Nov 22, 2009 7:03pm
Oh yeah, it will definitely lead to more players taking his path. It's not going to turn into a trend, but more players will do it now than they did before.
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lacknett
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Nov 23, 2009 12:17am
Actually I think college basketball has become less big than it used to be and has been on a downward trend since the Early 90's and while it is still a big lure it doesn't do squat for the players except bring in revenue for the NCAA and universities. If your good enough you'll play in the NBA and get paid so why wouldn't a player go to Europe? A lot of them don't want the hassle of taking classes and the 1 year rule is just plain stupid.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Nov 23, 2009 1:04am
They don't have the hassle of taking classes anyways if they're one and done. They might have to make grades for their FIRST SEMESTER and then what difference does it make?
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HeathAlum21
Posts: 363
Nov 23, 2009 2:18am
I can't stand this line of thought. It's not the kids that aren't cut out to go to college, it's their lack of motivation to receive an education that causes them not to succeed. They receive the message that education is not important, so they don't put the time into it. If students have legitimate difficulties in the classroom, there are plenty of supports that can be given.milehiiu wrote:
Some kids are just not cut out to go to college.
Also, if the "One and Done Rule" is eliminated, the quality of NCAA basketball takes yet another hit. I would like to see the NBA adopt a similar policy to the NFL.
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centralbucksfan
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Nov 24, 2009 8:41am
Jeremy Tyler...read how his trip from HS to overseas is going.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/sports/basketball/08tyler.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/sports/basketball/08tyler.html
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Prescott
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Nov 24, 2009 9:24am
This kid has a "Me" problem which would likely have surfavced in any scenario.
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centralbucksfan
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Nov 24, 2009 10:03am
Possibly. But when you send a kid around the world, at the age of 18, to a different language, different culture, etc, etc....its a gamble anyway you want to look at it.Prescott wrote: This kid an "Me" problem which would likely have surfavced in any scenario.
Would you send your 17,18 yr old to the otherside of the world? I know I wouldn't. If I had my choice of a year in college, or sending around the world...it would be a no brainer IMO.
Again, the success always reach the media..the failures are on the last page if they ever are reported.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Nov 24, 2009 10:21am
It's one thing to go over there as an 18 year old, because we see 18 year olds join the armed forces and go overseas all the time.
But for someone like a Tyler, who is a stud basketball player, they think things will be too easy. I'm sure he thought he'd go over to Europe and dominate and make a couple million dollars. It's not that easy, and those Europeans are not going to welcome him with open arms knowing what his true intentions are.
I agree that immaturity is a big problem, but I think it's more of an ego problem than an age problem.
But for someone like a Tyler, who is a stud basketball player, they think things will be too easy. I'm sure he thought he'd go over to Europe and dominate and make a couple million dollars. It's not that easy, and those Europeans are not going to welcome him with open arms knowing what his true intentions are.
I agree that immaturity is a big problem, but I think it's more of an ego problem than an age problem.
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Prescott
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Nov 24, 2009 11:00am
I think ego is a by product of immaturity.thedynasty1998 wrote: ....I agree that immaturity is a big problem, but I think it's more of an ego problem than an age problem.