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HeathAlum21
Posts: 363
Nov 19, 2009 10:14pm
Lincecum wins his 2nd Cy Young at just 25 years old. How many more do you think he will win? Many point to his mechanics and think they could cause arm problems down the road.
I will put the over/under at four. What do you think?
I will put the over/under at four. What do you think?
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Nov 19, 2009 10:34pm
Who knows.....but he is a beast. In a couple of years, he will probably be a Yankee.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Nov 19, 2009 10:58pm
The real question will be: Should he pawn the trophy off for weed? 
I kid...
I kid...
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Elliot Stabler
Posts: 388
Nov 19, 2009 11:30pm
He shouldn't have won in the first place this year
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HeathAlum21
Posts: 363
Nov 19, 2009 11:37pm
Disagree. I had him first by a considerable margin.Elliot Stabler wrote: He shouldn't have won in the first place this year
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Elliot Stabler
Posts: 388
Nov 19, 2009 11:41pm
Then you would be wrong:
Lincecum:
2.48 15-7 261 1.05
Carpenter:
2.24 17-4 144 1.01
Wainwright:
2.63 19-8 212 1.21
Should have been Wainwright
Lincecum:
2.48 15-7 261 1.05
Carpenter:
2.24 17-4 144 1.01
Wainwright:
2.63 19-8 212 1.21
Should have been Wainwright
killdeer
Posts: 1,538
Nov 19, 2009 11:48pm
Lincecum is solid
his mechanics are firm...
(if there is a little hint of the "chronic")
still the best pitcher in the National League.
I was going for a haiku there...did i make it?
his mechanics are firm...
(if there is a little hint of the "chronic")
still the best pitcher in the National League.
I was going for a haiku there...did i make it?
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Nov 20, 2009 2:50am
Based on those stats, I'd give it to Carpenter...Elliot Stabler wrote: Then you would be wrong:
Lincecum:
2.48 15-7 261 1.05
Carpenter:
2.24 17-4 144 1.01
Wainwright:
2.63 19-8 212 1.21
Should have been Wainwright
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HeathAlum21
Posts: 363
Nov 20, 2009 10:58am
Carpenter and Wainwright both had outstanding D behind them. Take that away, and both of thier numbers inflate rapidly. Look at Wainwright's WHIP EVEN WITH the Cards D. Carpenter pitched 30 less innings than the other two, so that has to be taken into consideration. Lincecum should have won and he did.
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Nate
Posts: 3,949
Nov 20, 2009 10:59am
Giants < Cardinals.
That's a big difference between 15 wins and 17/19.
That's a big difference between 15 wins and 17/19.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Nov 20, 2009 11:02am
Yeah, Lincecum was the right choice. Carpenter would've been fine as well.
Wainwright was the least deserving. Wins are an overrated pitching statistic.
Wainwright was the least deserving. Wins are an overrated pitching statistic.
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Nate
Posts: 3,949
Nov 20, 2009 11:14am
If Lincecum and Grineke were on different teams, their wins totals both would have been over 20.
darbypitcher22
Posts: 8,000
Nov 20, 2009 12:05pm
Its not all about statistics. like others have said, you've got to take into account what each guy has around them. The Cards had a rediculous offense as well as good defense behind them. Lincecum had one of the WORST offensive teams in all of MLB. I like the choice. He's a great pitcher, with the MLB package I end up getting to watch him quite a bit. Many point to his mechanics being out of whack; that could pretty much be said for 1/2 of MLB pitchers. He gets the job done
salto
Posts: 2,611
Nov 20, 2009 5:14pm
I wanted Wainright. I thought Carpenter deserved it. Am fine with Lincecum, even though I'm a die hard Cardinals fan. The race was too close between those three to think any one would have been wrong.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 20, 2009 6:03pm
Lol so you post those stats, meaning your basing the winner only on stats, and then don't choose the guy with the best stats of the group?Elliot Stabler wrote: Then you would be wrong:
Lincecum:
2.48 15-7 261 1.05
Carpenter:
2.24 17-4 144 1.01
Wainwright:
2.63 19-8 212 1.21
Should have been Wainwright
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tiger1990
Posts: 139
Nov 20, 2009 8:34pm
Cliff Lee was unhittable...too bad he didn't have enough time in with the Phils or this award was his
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Nov 21, 2009 2:27am
darbypitcher22 wrote: Its not all about statistics. like others have said, you've got to take into account what each guy has around them. The Cards had a rediculous offense as well as good defense behind them. Lincecum had one of the WORST offensive teams in all of MLB. I like the choice. He's a great pitcher, with the MLB package I end up getting to watch him quite a bit. Many point to his mechanics being out of whack; that could pretty much be said for 1/2 of MLB pitchers. He gets the job done
Good post...especially regarding mechanics. I would say that his delivery is unorthodox...but mechanically sound. His dad taught him well on getting the most out of his little frame.
Bunch of HOFers threw kinda weird. Before your time, Don Drysdale threw across his body. Jim Bunning had horrible form. Luis Tiant threw from every angle imagineable. Juan Marichal kicked his leg a foot higher than his head. (That was my style through high school).
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Nov 21, 2009 2:29am
I think Lincecum was the right choice. And they got it right with Greinke. Cy Young is for the best pitcher....not the best pitcher on a winning team.
Mr. 300
Posts: 3,090
Nov 21, 2009 7:34am
The Tribe could have had him. Wow, we'd have had a third CY winner traded off if we played our cards right.
salto
Posts: 2,611
Nov 21, 2009 11:12am
Ridiculous is right. If they had scored the runs they should have they would have had three pitchers with 20+ wins, home field and gone deeper in the playoffs. They potentially had a great offense. Potential doesn't put runs on the board though.darbypitcher22 wrote: ...The Cards had a rediculous offense...
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HeathAlum21
Posts: 363
Nov 21, 2009 11:50am
The reason I brought up his mechanics initially is longitivity. Many think that his violent throwing motion will lead to arm problems down the road, which would affect how many Cy Young Awards he would win (The initial question, though no one seemed to like it). I certainly hope his mechanics don't cause problems down the road, because right now he is the most enjoyable pitcher in the MLB to watch.Footwedge wrote:darbypitcher22 wrote: Its not all about statistics. like others have said, you've got to take into account what each guy has around them. The Cards had a rediculous offense as well as good defense behind them. Lincecum had one of the WORST offensive teams in all of MLB. I like the choice. He's a great pitcher, with the MLB package I end up getting to watch him quite a bit. Many point to his mechanics being out of whack; that could pretty much be said for 1/2 of MLB pitchers. He gets the job done
Good post...especially regarding mechanics. I would say that his delivery is unorthodox...but mechanically sound. His dad taught him well on getting the most out of his little frame.
Bunch of HOFers threw kinda weird. Before your time, Don Drysdale threw across his body. Jim Bunning had horrible form. Luis Tiant threw from every angle imagineable. Juan Marichal kicked his leg a foot higher than his head. (That was my style through high school).
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Nov 22, 2009 2:37am
I understand your point. I just don't happen to agree that his motion will lead to a higher propensity for arm problems.HeathAlum21 wrote:The reason I brought up his mechanics initially is longitivity. Many think that his violent throwing motion will lead to arm problems down the road, which would affect how many Cy Young Awards he would win (The initial question, though no one seemed to like it). I certainly hope his mechanics don't cause problems down the road, because right now he is the most enjoyable pitcher in the MLB to watch.Footwedge wrote:darbypitcher22 wrote: Its not all about statistics. like others have said, you've got to take into account what each guy has around them. The Cards had a rediculous offense as well as good defense behind them. Lincecum had one of the WORST offensive teams in all of MLB. I like the choice. He's a great pitcher, with the MLB package I end up getting to watch him quite a bit. Many point to his mechanics being out of whack; that could pretty much be said for 1/2 of MLB pitchers. He gets the job done
Good post...especially regarding mechanics. I would say that his delivery is unorthodox...but mechanically sound. His dad taught him well on getting the most out of his little frame.
Bunch of HOFers threw kinda weird. Before your time, Don Drysdale threw across his body. Jim Bunning had horrible form. Luis Tiant threw from every angle imagineable. Juan Marichal kicked his leg a foot higher than his head. (That was my style through high school).
Kerry Wood has pretty good form. So does Jake Westbrook. Nobody can predict who will go down and who won't.
When I pitched, I cleared my head to the left and came in over the top at high noon. Way back then, the "experts" taught us that 3/4 or sidearm was a nn-no. I blew out my rotator cuff in high school.
