Being so many Cleveland fans always blamed most of the bases teams were able to swipe against Cleveland pitchers and the pitching coach one can only wonder if the great Boston fans are doing the same.

It wasn't with Wakefield pitching was it?

It was with Wakefield and his 40mph knuckleball.

oh...that makes sense then.

PWND

Heretic wrote: It was with Wakefield and his 40mph knuckleball.

That being said, I'd STILL like to know WHO defended Martinez's defensive skills? Dude was a hack behind the dish throwing out runners. It WASN'T the pitcher.

I don't think anyone ever accused VMart of being a good defensive catcher....the percentages speak for themselves.

Maybe that is why the Tribe was platooning him at first last season



I could probably steal a base on that battery

Martinez didn't have a shot most of the time last night....

BR1986FB wrote:

Heretic wrote: It was with Wakefield and his 40mph knuckleball.

That being said, I'd STILL like to know WHO defended Martinez's defensive skills? Dude was a hack behind the dish throwing out runners. It WASN'T the pitcher.

Dude you are smart enough to know who always came running to his rescue when a few posters said he stunk at throwing base runners out.

You have for the most part always been straight up when it comes to calling it like it is.

Dude you are a moron

Coming from you that means nothing.

I take that back it means less than nothing.

How many did Bump Wills have?

Sonofanump wrote: How many did Bump Wills have?

Five. Mickey Rivers had the rest.

BTW...I heard that both of their "old men" threw a couple of no hitters

I don't know anybody who would talk about V-Mart as being a good defensive catcher. Last year he thru out only 14% of runners. In '07 and '08, he was in the 30% range...adequate at best. He was horrible in '06 at 18%.

newarkcatholicfan wrote: Being so many Cleveland fans always blamed most of the bases teams were able to swipe against Cleveland pitchers and the pitching coach one can only wonder if the great Boston fans are doing the same.

I remember SQCrazies telling me it was all the tribe's pitchers' fault. LOL.

Victor was a really good hitter. His lack of running speed and his horror show behind the plate was hard to deal with.

BR1986FB wrote:

Heretic wrote: It was with Wakefield and his 40mph knuckleball.

That being said, I'd STILL like to know WHO defended Martinez's defensive skills? Dude was a hack behind the dish throwing out runners. It WASN'T the pitcher.

Oh, definitely. No matter how bad a pitcher is, if a team gives up NINE fucking steals in a game, it's because the other team has no respect for their pitcher-catcher battery...meaning that both the catcher AND pitcher suck as far as holding runners goes.

I'm basically guessing this thread was started as another "because 1-3 of you guys said something, I'm pretending like it was the majority so I can nitpick about how I'm smarter!" endeavor just like the "all of you who thought this team would be great" threads...when 5 people thought they'd make the playoffs and 25 were hoping for .500 or something, anything positive. I mean, "great Boston fans"? Boston fans are massive bitches who've been in the Yankees' shadow (note: I hate the Yankees...I'm not bragging on them) for ages, but think because their team has had recent success, they're the utter shit. That's how they are in all sports.

V Mart is already getting ripped by the Boston sports rubes for his inability to throw guys out. Trust me. The sports radio stations have been on it since the second game of the season. Pitching and defense, Theo. Pitching and defense.