sleeper
                                                                            
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                                Apr 21, 2010 1:54pm
                            
                        
                                Durant is the 2nd best player in the league.  Can we please just crown the kid already?
Thoughts?
                        Thoughts?
jpake1
                                                                            
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                                Apr 21, 2010 2:03pm
                            
                        
                                Maybe in a few years he'll be the 2nd best player. The young man isn't there yet. I don't know if he's even top 5 right now.
                            
                        Fly4Fun
                                                                            
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                                Apr 21, 2010 2:07pm
                            
                        
                                He's most certainly top 5.
1) LeBron
2) Wade/Durant/Carmelo
5) Dwight/Kobe/Dirk
                        1) LeBron
2) Wade/Durant/Carmelo
5) Dwight/Kobe/Dirk
sleeper
                                                                            
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                                Apr 21, 2010 2:12pm
                            
                        You high?jpake1 wrote: Maybe in a few years he'll be the 2nd best player. The young man isn't there yet. I don't know if he's even top 5 right now.
Benny The Jet
                                                                            
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                                Apr 21, 2010 2:14pm
                            
                        Agreed. Although I'd probably have it look like thisFly4Fun wrote: He's most certainly top 5.
1) LeBron
2) Wade/Durant/Carmelo
5) Dwight/Kobe/Dirk
1) LeBron
2)Wade/Durant/Carmelo
5)Dwight/Kobe/Dirk
wes_mantooth
                                                                            
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                                Apr 21, 2010 2:20pm
                            
                        I agree with this, although, I think Wade and Melo have more complete games than Durant.Benny The Jet wrote:Agreed. Although I'd probably have it look like thisFly4Fun wrote: He's most certainly top 5.
1) LeBron
2) Wade/Durant/Carmelo
5) Dwight/Kobe/Dirk
1) LeBron
2)Wade/Durant/Carmelo
5)Dwight/Kobe/Dirk
jpake1
                                                                            
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                                Apr 21, 2010 2:30pm
                            
                        
                                I just have a different opinion. But since it doesn't agree with sleeper, I must be high. 
Durant is a hell of a scorer. However, he's still young and I want somebody with more experience during high pressure games. I want somebody that is better on defense. I want somebody that makes their teammates better (something I don't think he's learned yet, luckily for him, the young guys around him do a well enough job of getting better on their own). He's healthy, he's got no half way decent excuse to be shooting like absolute shit when it matters most. At least Kobe has a fucked up finger on his shooting hand. But I don't expect anybody to care about that. Most people on here want to see him fail so bad. NONE of the superstars would be playing as well as normal if they had the same injury. But you can bet your ass there would be more sympathetic people on here if it was LBJ, or even Wade for that matter.
My list goes like this... LBJ, Wade, Kobe, Howard, then Melo. Durant is probably sixth. But he has some people right on his ass like a healthy CP3, amongst others.
                        Durant is a hell of a scorer. However, he's still young and I want somebody with more experience during high pressure games. I want somebody that is better on defense. I want somebody that makes their teammates better (something I don't think he's learned yet, luckily for him, the young guys around him do a well enough job of getting better on their own). He's healthy, he's got no half way decent excuse to be shooting like absolute shit when it matters most. At least Kobe has a fucked up finger on his shooting hand. But I don't expect anybody to care about that. Most people on here want to see him fail so bad. NONE of the superstars would be playing as well as normal if they had the same injury. But you can bet your ass there would be more sympathetic people on here if it was LBJ, or even Wade for that matter.
My list goes like this... LBJ, Wade, Kobe, Howard, then Melo. Durant is probably sixth. But he has some people right on his ass like a healthy CP3, amongst others.
                                        
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                                                                Swamp Fox
                                                                            
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                                Apr 21, 2010 2:36pm
                            
                        
                                I'm not a Kobe fan by any means, but I wouldn't make Kobe unnecessarily angry. He's going to be tough enough anyway. I think LeBron is the best player in the NBA but I am going to have to put Kobe in the number two position, based on his experience and particularly in his experience and performance in the games that really mean somrthing. I know that a lot of people dislike Kobe because of non-basketball reasons, but solely as a player, Kobe is still awfully hard to stop.
                            
                        sleeper
                                                                            
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                                Apr 21, 2010 2:38pm
                            
                        
                                Kevin Durant
PPG: 30.1
APG: 2.8
RPG: 7.6
FG %: 47.6
3-PT %: 36.5
FT %: 90.0
Kobe Bryant
PPG: 27.0
APG: 5.0
RPG: 5.4
FG %: 45.6
3-PT %: 32.9
FT %: 81.1
I'm sorry, but who's the better player? Unless we are basing this on more APG, ya know because Durant's position is GUARD(LOL), Durant blows away Kobe and it's not even close.
Oh but Kobe has a hurt finger =( QQ, he should have taken care of that earlier in the season.
                        PPG: 30.1
APG: 2.8
RPG: 7.6
FG %: 47.6
3-PT %: 36.5
FT %: 90.0
Kobe Bryant
PPG: 27.0
APG: 5.0
RPG: 5.4
FG %: 45.6
3-PT %: 32.9
FT %: 81.1
I'm sorry, but who's the better player? Unless we are basing this on more APG, ya know because Durant's position is GUARD(LOL), Durant blows away Kobe and it's not even close.
Oh but Kobe has a hurt finger =( QQ, he should have taken care of that earlier in the season.
jpake1
                                                                            
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                                Apr 21, 2010 3:08pm
                            
                        
                                You're not young enough to believe that stats tell the whole story are you? I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong, or vise versa. I think Durant is 2nd in the MVP voting. I've given him props. I still don't think he's the 2nd best player. Those stats don't tell me that. The stats from last year comparing LBJ and Wade would leave me to say that Wade was the best player in the world. But, I know he wasn't. The stats didn't tell the whole story. I don't know if you would, but I think a lot of people would say its real close, but Wade may have edged him out. But those people definitely weren't saying BOOM that makes Wade the best, he has the better stats.
 
pts ast rbs blk stl ft 3 fg
30.2 7.5 5 1.3 2.2 .765 .317 .491 Wade
28.4 7.2 7.6 1.1 1.7 .780 .344 .489 LBJ
                        pts ast rbs blk stl ft 3 fg
30.2 7.5 5 1.3 2.2 .765 .317 .491 Wade
28.4 7.2 7.6 1.1 1.7 .780 .344 .489 LBJ
SQ_Crazies
                                                                            
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                                Apr 21, 2010 3:13pm
                            
                        
                                1. LeBron
2. Kobe
3. D-Wade
4. Melo
5. Dwight Howard
6. CP3
7. Dirk
8. Brandon Roy
9. Durant
When you're that young and that far up the list, that's pretty amazing. But he ain't there yet. He's not well rounded enough YET. He'll be up there someday, although I'm not sure he'll ever pass LeBron, Wade and Melo until they start really slowing down.
                        2. Kobe
3. D-Wade
4. Melo
5. Dwight Howard
6. CP3
7. Dirk
8. Brandon Roy
9. Durant
When you're that young and that far up the list, that's pretty amazing. But he ain't there yet. He's not well rounded enough YET. He'll be up there someday, although I'm not sure he'll ever pass LeBron, Wade and Melo until they start really slowing down.
jpake1
                                                                            
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                                Apr 21, 2010 3:17pm
                            
                        
                                My point exactly, he's not a well enough rounded player yet. He doesn't make his teammates better. He has solid defensive stats, but he's not a very good NBA defender yet. He'll pass some of those guys in the next 2-3 years.
                            
                        Sage
                                                                            
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                                Apr 21, 2010 4:58pm
                            
                        
                                Rank Kobe where you will Cavalier fans, I ain't riding out with anybody else.
                            
                        SQ_Crazies
                                                                            
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                                Apr 21, 2010 5:01pm
                            
                        
                                Wouldn't expect you to.
                            
                        77Legend
                                                                            
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                                Apr 21, 2010 5:36pm
                            
                        
                                I also agree that Durant is not top 5 in the NBA YET!
                            
                        sleeper
                                                                            
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                                Apr 21, 2010 7:19pm
                            
                        Fixed.77Legend wrote: I also don't know anything about the NBA YET!
2quik4u
                                                                            
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                                Apr 21, 2010 7:24pm
                            
                        the fuck?sleeper wrote: yes if u were wondering i take it in the ass
newarkcatholicfan
                                                                            
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                                Apr 21, 2010 7:32pm
                            
                        
                                Laker fans do not care where the players on the team rank at who is the best or not what they do care about is being world champs.
                            
                        Benny The Jet
                                                                            
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                                Apr 21, 2010 7:49pm
                            
                        Yup...only Lakers fans care about being world champs. Every other teams fans worry about who the best player is and say fuck wanting to be world champs. :snewarkcatholicfan wrote: Laker fans do not care where the players on the team rank at who is the best or not what they do care about is being world champs.
                                        
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                                                                BR1986FB
                                                                            
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                                Apr 21, 2010 7:51pm
                            
                        Kobe posts on this site?Swamp Fox wrote: I'm not a Kobe fan by any means, but I wouldn't make Kobe unnecessarily angry.
skank
                                                                            
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                                Apr 21, 2010 8:14pm
                            
                        And raping women.newarkcatholicfan wrote: Laker fans do not care where the players on the team rank at who is the best or not what they do care about is being world champs.
2quik4u
                                                                            
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                                Apr 21, 2010 8:31pm
                            
                        no thats pittsburghskank wrote:And raping women.newarkcatholicfan wrote: Laker fans do not care where the players on the team rank at who is the best or not what they do care about is being world champs.
skank
                                                                            
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                                Apr 21, 2010 9:10pm
                            
                        
                                Them too. Haha. And the quality of weed.
                            
                        
                                        
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                                                                Swamp Fox
                                                                            
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                                Apr 22, 2010 1:39pm
                            
                        
                                You never know BR, you just never know....
                            
                        
                                        
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                                                                Swamp Fox
                                                                            
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                                Apr 22, 2010 1:42pm
                            
                        
                                Statistics are important certainly, in determining the quality of the various NBA Players, but I think that statistics are over-rated generally speaking. It's what your team is able to accomplish and how much you contribute to your teams' longevity in the play-offs that count more in my opinion and Kobe in the clutch is awfully hard to beat historically.