ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Apr 14, 2010 9:17am
Rather interesting from a member of conservative AEI
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/13/AR2010041303686.html
Pretty much says if you look at everything and history, Obama is a typical liberal moderate and not some crazy socialist. A breath of fresh air I might add.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/13/AR2010041303686.html
Pretty much says if you look at everything and history, Obama is a typical liberal moderate and not some crazy socialist. A breath of fresh air I might add.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Apr 14, 2010 9:28am
While I obviously don't buy into the "socialist" hysteria, and he's shown the ability to be pragmatic on occasion, he's no moderate. Not even close.
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Shane Falco
Posts: 440
Apr 14, 2010 9:34am
If he's a moderate, I'm singing on Broadway Friday night
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Apr 14, 2010 9:41am
"moderate" ----------------- completely laughable.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Apr 14, 2010 9:45am
Care to refute the arguments instead of just laughing it off gentlemen?
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Apr 14, 2010 9:49am
No; it is a complete waste of time ................ he is easily the most radically left person to ever occupy the white house. It is unconsionable that someone could try to portray him as a moderate.ptown_trojans_1 wrote: Care to refute the arguments instead of just laughing it off gentlemen?
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Bigdogg
Posts: 1,429
Apr 14, 2010 10:01am
They won't because they can't. I suspect they will just dismiss it with the usual comments.ptown_trojans_1 wrote: Care to refute the arguments instead of just laughing it off gentlemen?
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cbus4life
Posts: 2,849
Apr 14, 2010 10:02am
I think Wilson was the most "radical" President in American history.
Has Obama backed and allowed to happen anything like the "Palmer Raids" yet?
Granted, the targets of those raids were leftists and the like, but the fact remains that he was incredibly "radical" and constantly and consistently violated the civil liberties of American citizens.
Obama doesn't hold a candle to Wilson and even other Presidents in regards to how "radical" he is.
Has Obama backed and allowed to happen anything like the "Palmer Raids" yet?
Granted, the targets of those raids were leftists and the like, but the fact remains that he was incredibly "radical" and constantly and consistently violated the civil liberties of American citizens.
Obama doesn't hold a candle to Wilson and even other Presidents in regards to how "radical" he is.
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Shane Falco
Posts: 440
Apr 14, 2010 10:07am
Why do I have to explain MY opinion? Why is my opinion wrong but the author of the articles opinion " a breath of fresh air"?
I see what is going on and don't believe for a minute that it is "moderate"
We do need some fresh air with all the stink coming from DC these days!
I see what is going on and don't believe for a minute that it is "moderate"
We do need some fresh air with all the stink coming from DC these days!
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Apr 14, 2010 10:22am
Calling him a socialist has nothing to do with his foreign policy views. As far as his domestic views, the only two real things he has accomplished are a trillion dollar spending spree on nothing, and a health care bill that sets price controls and forces people to buy health insurance. He may not have done anything full blown socialist yet, but he certainly isn't a moderate.
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BCSbunk
Posts: 972
Apr 14, 2010 10:41am
It is called hand waving it is all they have.Bigdogg wrote:They won't because they can't. I suspect they will just dismiss it with the usual comments.ptown_trojans_1 wrote: Care to refute the arguments instead of just laughing it off gentlemen?
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Apr 14, 2010 10:52am
I'm a little confounded by the term "moderate liberal".
As does this:
This raises a good point.Why do I have to explain MY opinion? Why is my opinion wrong but the author of the articles opinion " a breath of fresh air"?
As does this:
Calling him a socialist has nothing to do with his foreign policy views.
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Apr 14, 2010 10:59am
For.The.Win.Cleveland Buck wrote: Calling him a socialist has nothing to do with his foreign policy views. As far as his domestic views, the only two real things he has accomplished are a trillion dollar spending spree on nothing, and a health care bill that sets price controls and forces people to buy health insurance. He may not have done anything full blown socialist yet, but he certainly isn't a moderate.
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cbus4life
Posts: 2,849
Apr 14, 2010 11:02am
I won't deny that he hasn't done some "radical" things, but i just don't think, taking everything into consideration, that he is the most radical we've ever had.
I think FDR and Wilson take the cake, and others would be in the running as well.
I think FDR and Wilson take the cake, and others would be in the running as well.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Apr 14, 2010 11:03am
Yeah I wouldn't call him a socialist, and those that do only hurt the cause (typically those who do are Conservative folk) but I most certainly wouldn't call him moderate either. He certainly didn't earn any "moderate points" from me during the health care stuff. I wish both sides would have been more involved instead of just forcing it through like they did.
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
Apr 14, 2010 11:04am
you don't have to explain your opinion, it just makes your opinion have less credibility if you can't explain it...but that's your choiceShane Falco wrote: Why do I have to explain MY opinion? Why is my opinion wrong but the author of the articles opinion " a breath of fresh air"?
I see what is going on and don't believe for a minute that it is "moderate"
We do need some fresh air with all the stink coming from DC these days!
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Apr 14, 2010 11:04am
The article, whether the opinion is right or wrong, elaborates on the point.Shane Falco wrote: Why do I have to explain MY opinion? Why is my opinion wrong but the author of the articles opinion " a breath of fresh air"?
People here give "opinions" by stringing together as many partisan buzz words as they can into one sentence.
One carries more weight because it indicates engaging in an actual process of independent thought. Whether the opinion is correct or not is irrelevant, at least they showed evidence of thinking it through. It's all about communication.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Apr 14, 2010 11:31am
Moderate liberal=just left of center, which I think he is.
Foreign policy is centralist, more HW Bush like.
A breath of fresh in that it is a known conservative out of a conservative think tank saying Obama is a moderate liberal, not a crazy socialist.
Foreign policy is centralist, more HW Bush like.
A breath of fresh in that it is a known conservative out of a conservative think tank saying Obama is a moderate liberal, not a crazy socialist.
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Shane Falco
Posts: 440
Apr 14, 2010 11:32am
Moderates don't go around the world saying their country is the cause of all evils, moderates don't make campaign speeches in other countries while RUNNING for POTUS, moderates don't take over private auto company's, moderates don't take over 1/6th of a counties economy, moderates don't have pay czars, moderates don't have self proclamied Marxist as advisers, moderates don't associate on any level with people that attempt to blow up Gov. buildings that go on to say they wish they would have done more damage. Moderates don't go to racist chuches,
Should I go on?
Should I go on?
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cbus4life
Posts: 2,849
Apr 14, 2010 11:37am
When did he say this?Shane Falco wrote: Moderates don't go around the world saying their country is the cause of all evils, moderates don't make campaign speeches in other countries while RUNNING for POTUS, moderates don't take over private auto company's, moderates don't take over 1/6th of a counties economy, moderates don't have pay czars, moderates don't have self proclamied Marxist as advisers, moderates don't associate on any level with people that attempt to blow up Gov. buildings that go on to say they wish they would have done more damage. Moderates don't go to racist chuches,
Should I go on?
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Apr 14, 2010 11:50am
I forgot he also finished the job Bush started and nationalized the auto industry (except Ford). That is something a socialist would do, not a moderate. Although, today's moderate is history's socialist, so maybe he is a moderate.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Apr 14, 2010 12:01pm
Because I'm right. As usual.ptown_trojans_1 wrote: Care to refute the arguments instead of just laughing it off gentlemen?
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Paladin
Posts: 313
Apr 14, 2010 12:15pm
Ornstein is a widely recognized economic conservative & the AEI is not mistaken for being Liberal. His comments carry heavy weight and his logic with facts make his case. Despite the hysteria promoted by the extreme Far Right, people are coming to recognize the lies of his political opponents and view him in a fairer manner. Chances are still very good he gets re-elected and more successes will keep the Ds favored by voters. Financial reform appears to have the Rs on the wrong side of the issues again. 
jhay78
Posts: 1,917
Apr 14, 2010 12:25pm
You are partly judged by the company you keep. Obama's past associations combined with the czars he's appointed makes him a RADICAL.
Why is the term "socialist" so offensive to you people, but the policies and ideas of socialism are OK?
Why is the term "socialist" so offensive to you people, but the policies and ideas of socialism are OK?
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
Apr 14, 2010 12:28pm
you do realize that past presidents have also had czars, don't you?jhay78 wrote: You are partly judged by the company you keep. Obama's past associations combined with the czars he's appointed makes him a RADICAL.
Why is the term "socialist" so offensive to you people, but the policies and ideas of socialism are OK?