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JTizzle

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Apr 4, 2010 7:50 PM
The bulk amount limit on Marijuana is only 100 grams = Felony
What about the people on Probation who get tested and thrown in Prison for a P.V.
Sell a bag to someone who set you up= Felony

People who don't drink to get drunk, maybe having one or two will still feel some effect of alcohol! (possibly even enough to be legally drunk by our great governing standards)
Apr 4, 2010 7:50pm
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Gardens35

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Apr 4, 2010 8:15 PM
You be cool for 20 hours and I'll pay you 20 Grand....
Apr 4, 2010 8:15pm
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krazie45

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Apr 4, 2010 10:32 PM
Glory Days wrote: most people are not incacerated for marijuana. normally it takes smuggling a few hundred pounds or marijuana in combination with a weapon or something to get locked up for it.
Not quite....usually if you have marijuana you intend to smoke it with something whether it's a bowl, bong, joint, whatever. as soon as the marijuana touches one of those objects it becomes paraphernalia and THAT'S what you go to jail for. So basically your point doesn't really stick unless people just like to have marijuana to look at.
Apr 4, 2010 10:32pm
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Apr 4, 2010 10:34 PM
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Apr 4, 2010 10:34pm
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Glory Days

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Apr 4, 2010 11:13 PM
krazie45 wrote:
Glory Days wrote: most people are not incacerated for marijuana. normally it takes smuggling a few hundred pounds or marijuana in combination with a weapon or something to get locked up for it.
Not quite....usually if you have marijuana you intend to smoke it with something whether it's a bowl, bong, joint, whatever. as soon as the marijuana touches one of those objects it becomes paraphernalia and THAT'S what you go to jail for. So basically your point doesn't really stick unless people just like to have marijuana to look at.
still though, sometimes unless you have a lot of it, committed another crime, or just being a dick to the cop, they wont hit you up for all of those. they will just take your shit and leave it at that.
Apr 4, 2010 11:13pm
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I Wear Pants

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Apr 4, 2010 11:35 PM
I have never seen a good argument for it being illegal. Or at least not one where the benefits outweigh the costs of it being illegal.
Apr 4, 2010 11:35pm
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Al Bundy

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Apr 4, 2010 11:35 PM
krazie45 wrote:
Writerbuckeye wrote: The legalization arguments aside, if it WERE completely legal, there's no way the amounts of money being discussed in this topic would hold true.

The free market would drive the price of this waaaaaay down -- hell, anyone could grow it. Unless of course you're going to use the force of government to keep the cost artificially high (pun intended) by only allowing so many to grow, manufacture and produce it.
Not necessarily true...you can grow your own tobacco too, but most people find it easier to just go to the store and buy a pack.
Assuming a free market would be allowed, the price would be lowered until it reached a price where people would rather just buy it.
Apr 4, 2010 11:35pm
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Red_Skin_Pride

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Apr 5, 2010 1:07 AM
JTizzle wrote: Lets say that I am allowed to grow Marijuana if legalized. I own close to a 100 acres of land on the Ohio river in Meigs county. Now that gives me pretty a nice marketing tool to begin, but let's get to the numbers. If I got 700 pounds of top buds an acre that would be a decent amount per acre. Those are figures from early 1900's so I'm sure my yield would be quite a bit higher than those estimates. So 700 times 100, equals 70,000 pounds of pot. 70,000 pounds times 200 dollars an ounce equals 224,000,000. Yeah that's right 224 million in net sales now if there was a 50 dollar an ounce tax, that would mean I would pay 56 million in excise tax each crop. Then take my income taxes out of my 224 million and that would be 33% or more which is another 75 million. So my total tax contribution would be over 130 Million per crop harvest. I would not have a DAMN problem paying 130 Million in taxes if I was still bringing home 150 Million a year. So lets get this rolling and legalize and tax it.

It probably will never happen, but it is nice to dream. The richy rich don't want some dumb little poor guy to come up in the world.
You clearly have no idea how the concept of supply and demand works.

You only get that much right now because it IS ILLEGAL...i.e. harder to get. How expensive do you think alcohol was when it was outlawed and the ONLY way to get it was bootlegging? That's essentially what the drug market is, in some form.

If it becomes legal, and everyone can get it, and there's no hazard to move it, buy it, sell it, obtain it, and use it, the price is going to go down. I'm not disagreeing that it wouldn't be a big industry, but if you think everyone with 100 acres of land is going to bring home 150 million a year after taxes, you clearly have smoked a little too much.
Apr 5, 2010 1:07am
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Apr 5, 2010 1:14 AM
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Yeah...after it hypothetically becomes legal, the price would go down. The only reason to grow (other than personal use) would be if you had seeds to create some good, good, gooder, gooderest shit that could tempt others to pay more than they would if they just went to town and got hooked up at the local store.
Apr 5, 2010 1:14am
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Apr 5, 2010 1:20 AM
god damn i want some good, good, gooder, good, gooderest shit right about now.
Apr 5, 2010 1:20am
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RelsonGracieBJJ

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Apr 5, 2010 4:30 AM
I didn't create the web sites that have the facts I listed. I am sure their facts are based on research. And Justin as far as facts for me saying Illegal drugs are for losers. Well I guess people are what they are.
Apr 5, 2010 4:30am
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bamagirl

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Apr 5, 2010 9:00 AM
http://www.amenclinics.com/brain-science/spect-image-gallery/spect-atlas/images-of-alcohol-and-drug-abuse/

Pot does mess with your brain...basically eating away at your frontal lobe aka the decision maker and reaction center within your brain. So the bottom line is that it isn't "harmless." Yes, you can make the argument that alcohol and smoking isn't either...but why would you want to make one more thing that is proven harmful legal?
Apr 5, 2010 9:00am
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gut

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Apr 5, 2010 9:34 AM
bamagirl wrote: Pot does mess with your brain...basically eating away at your frontal lobe aka the decision maker and reaction center within your brain. So the bottom line is that it isn't "harmless." Yes, you can make the argument that alcohol and smoking isn't either...but why would you want to make one more thing that is proven harmful legal?
Yeah, I keep hearing all these arguments how it is harmless and shouldn't be illegal - arguments that seem to be made mostly by pot-smoking college kids.

I find it hard to believe it is harmless. I realize it is different than tobacco, but that much smoke going into your lungs can't be good....And legalizing (and lowering the cost) is going to end-up with a lot more people smoking more and longer term.

Not to mention, it does seem to be a drug for losers. Yes, some people smoke recreationally just fine, but the regular users seemed to be the lazy ones who ended-up dropping out. The good thing about hangovers is it deters people from being drunk 24/7 all the time.
Apr 5, 2010 9:34am
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Apr 5, 2010 10:13 AM
gut wrote:Yeah, I keep hearing all these arguments how it is harmless and shouldn't be illegal - arguments that seem to be made mostly by pot-smoking college kids.
Wow nice generalization. Actually for your information, I don't use marijuana....However, being involved in social and political issues, I've always felt that the federal government continues to look stupid with its prohibition, especially since it didn't work out so well for alcohol. BTW, a poll by Zogby last year showed that 52% of Americans support legalization and taxation. So it's not just the "pot smoking college kids".

http://salem-news.com/articles/may062009/mj_zogby_5-6-09.php
I find it hard to believe it is harmless. I realize it is different than tobacco, but that much smoke going into your lungs can't be good....And legalizing (and lowering the cost) is going to end-up with a lot more people smoking more and longer term.
Like I said before, however the point seemingly continues to be ignored...marijuana when consumed by vaporizer or in some type of food/tea has basically no harmful physical effects. Obviously smoking ANYTHING is going to be bad for you since you are inhaling smoke.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070515151145.htm
Not to mention, it does seem to be a drug for losers. Yes, some people smoke recreationally just fine, but the regular users seemed to be the lazy ones who ended-up dropping out. The good thing about hangovers is it deters people from being drunk 24/7 all the time.
That's your opinion, which is fine, but don't try to pass it off as fact. You can judge all you want but last I checked, I believe the last 3 presidents have openly admitted to smoking marijuana so I wouldn't say it's a drug for losers. The point is that people should be able to make that determination themselves without the government telling them what to do. They are allowed to make this decision on alcohol and tobacco, two physically addictive substances but not on marijuana which is not physically addictive. Just doesn't make much sense to me or any rational person.
Apr 5, 2010 10:13am
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Apr 5, 2010 10:19 AM
bamagirl wrote: http://www.amenclinics.com/brain-science/spect-image-gallery/spect-atlas/images-of-alcohol-and-drug-abuse/

Pot does mess with your brain...basically eating away at your frontal lobe aka the decision maker and reaction center within your brain. So the bottom line is that it isn't "harmless." Yes, you can make the argument that alcohol and smoking isn't either...but why would you want to make one more thing that is proven harmful legal?
Because it shouldn't be up to the Federal government what I decide to put into my body, harmful or not.
Apr 5, 2010 10:19am
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Apr 5, 2010 10:24 AM
RelsonGracieBJJ wrote: I didn't create the web sites that have the facts I listed. I am sure their facts are based on research. And Justin as far as facts for me saying Illegal drugs are for losers. Well I guess people are what they are.
I know plenty successful people who smoke pot on a regular basis. Actually, one of my good friends who does MMA/cage fighting (and is pretty good, I believe he only has one loss) smokes all the time.

Sure, I also know plenty of losers who smoke pot on a regular basis. But they'd be losers regardless.
Apr 5, 2010 10:24am
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Apr 5, 2010 10:30 AM
I think alot of people would be very suprised by those who actually smoke the green!! Many many many people in your own families and circle of friends do it too guys, you just don't know because A. it's illegal and they don't want their secret out or to get into trouble at their place of work. B. they know your feelings about it so they keep it from you.
Apr 5, 2010 10:30am
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queencitybuckeye

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Apr 5, 2010 10:31 AM
justincredible wrote:
bamagirl wrote: http://www.amenclinics.com/brain-science/spect-image-gallery/spect-atlas/images-of-alcohol-and-drug-abuse/

Pot does mess with your brain...basically eating away at your frontal lobe aka the decision maker and reaction center within your brain. So the bottom line is that it isn't "harmless." Yes, you can make the argument that alcohol and smoking isn't either...but why would you want to make one more thing that is proven harmful legal?
Because it shouldn't be up to the Federal government what I decide to put into my body, harmful or not.

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Apr 5, 2010 10:31am
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gut

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Apr 5, 2010 10:40 AM
The point isn't so much HOW harmful it is, the point is people have problems with it now as an illegal substance. Legalize it and you multiply that 10-fold And I don't care if it's perfectly safe to ingest or take with a vaporizer - how do you think 95% of these people are going to be using it?

Everyone knows "potheads" who we can safely "generalize" as being losers. I'm not talking about the occasional recreational user (although safe to say legalize it and many of them become potheads). Some turn it around, but again legalizing it is going to make it cheaper and easier to smoke longer.

There may not be great arguments for it being illegal, but there aren't any good arguments for it being legal, either.
Apr 5, 2010 10:40am
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queencitybuckeye

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Apr 5, 2010 10:58 AM
gut wrote: There may not be great arguments for it being illegal, but there aren't any good arguments for it being legal, either.
Other than it not being the least bit of the government's business what I do to my own body. Unless I missed the "for our own good" provision in the constitution, this is a game-set-match argument.
Apr 5, 2010 10:58am
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Society

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Apr 5, 2010 11:00 AM
queencitybuckeye wrote:
justincredible wrote:
bamagirl wrote: http://www.amenclinics.com/brain-science/spect-image-gallery/spect-atlas/images-of-alcohol-and-drug-abuse/

Pot does mess with your brain...basically eating away at your frontal lobe aka the decision maker and reaction center within your brain. So the bottom line is that it isn't "harmless." Yes, you can make the argument that alcohol and smoking isn't either...but why would you want to make one more thing that is proven harmful legal?
Because it shouldn't be up to the Federal government what I decide to put into my body, harmful or not.

This

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Are you both saying that we should just get rid of the FDA completely?
Apr 5, 2010 11:00am
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Apr 5, 2010 11:08 AM
Society wrote:
queencitybuckeye wrote:
justincredible wrote:
bamagirl wrote: http://www.amenclinics.com/brain-science/spect-image-gallery/spect-atlas/images-of-alcohol-and-drug-abuse/

Pot does mess with your brain...basically eating away at your frontal lobe aka the decision maker and reaction center within your brain. So the bottom line is that it isn't "harmless." Yes, you can make the argument that alcohol and smoking isn't either...but why would you want to make one more thing that is proven harmful legal?
Because it shouldn't be up to the Federal government what I decide to put into my body, harmful or not.

This

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Are you both saying that we should just get rid of the FDA completely?

That's funny because the FDA approves many "medicines" which can cause harm to your body. As long as they're making money off of it though...
Apr 5, 2010 11:08am
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bamagirl

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Apr 5, 2010 11:35 AM
Society wrote:
queencitybuckeye wrote:
justincredible wrote:
bamagirl wrote: http://www.amenclinics.com/brain-science/spect-image-gallery/spect-atlas/images-of-alcohol-and-drug-abuse/

Pot does mess with your brain...basically eating away at your frontal lobe aka the decision maker and reaction center within your brain. So the bottom line is that it isn't "harmless." Yes, you can make the argument that alcohol and smoking isn't either...but why would you want to make one more thing that is proven harmful legal?
Because it shouldn't be up to the Federal government what I decide to put into my body, harmful or not.

This

/thread
Are you both saying that we should just get rid of the FDA completely?
When it mentally effects you and the choices you make there needs to be some sort of regulation.
Apr 5, 2010 11:35am
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detectivegibbles

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Apr 5, 2010 11:38 AM
As a pot smoker, I don't want it to be legalized.

Prices would be insane and quality would be standardized. I'll take my chances on getting caught..
Apr 5, 2010 11:38am
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tcarrier32

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Apr 5, 2010 12:34 PM
i would like it legalized. the federal government has no right to tell anyone what they can and cannot do with their bodies. this should be a well known fact, but it seems that some people think that the government is an unbiased group and only does whats best for all of its citizens (bamagirl). the fact of the matter is that pot was not made illegal because it was a very harmful substance, it was made illegal because of direct competition with paper companies, and to help with their cause they used propaganda that states only "negroes who raped white women" used the substance.

their are plenty of reasons why it should be made legal, two aunts and one of my uncles will debate everyone who says that it has no medicinal value. they used it through vaporizers to help increase their appetites while they went through chemo. all three continue to use it .
Apr 5, 2010 12:34pm