geeblock wrote:

we had a case of scarlet fever last month i havent heard that word in years, I had to google it because i didnt believe it was true but apparently is a more rare form of strep throat.

My wife had a terrible immune system growing up and actually had scarlet fever she was also one the rare people to get mono twice. 

Also I would love to see the poll taken again after Covid. I’m all for vaccines that we have proven work over time but a law would scare me after Covid and how quickly that vaccine was introduced. 

sportchampps wrote:

I’m all for vaccines that we have proven work over time but a law would scare me after Covid and how quickly that vaccine was introduced. 

20 years for mRNA vaccine human trials wasn't enough time for you?

gut wrote:

20 years for mRNA vaccine human trials wasn't enough time for you?

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines

First mRNA vaccine testing in Humans was 2013, so 7 years at best before COVID.

Excuse us for not wanting to take the first one that wasn’t just in a trial, that didn’t go through a full trial itself. 

If mandates had gone through I would have at best got the J&J one that was a typical “dead virus” vaccine and not mRNA, at worst I would have found a way for a fake “religious exemption”

jmog wrote:

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines

First mRNA vaccine testing in Humans was 2013, so 7 years at best before COVID.

Pardon me.  Human trials of mRNA started around 2001, though for cancer therapies not vaccines. But vaccine trials in mice began back in the 90s.

The question still stands - how many DECADES of research will suffice?  I can paste links too, but ones actually relevant to the point made:  Discovered in 1961 - ohh no I'm scared it's too new and hasn't been studied enough!!!  Been around longer than most posters on this board

https://www.flagshippioneering.com/timelines/mrna-timeline

And correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it the traditional chicken-based Covid vaccine that had problems and had to be pulled from the market?  J&J?

All this hand wringing, yet the traditional vaccines have not proven safer or more effective.

gut wrote:

Pardon me.  Human trials of mRNA started around 2001, though for cancer therapies not vaccines. But vaccine trials in mice began back in the 90s.

The question still stands - how many DECADES of research will suffice?  I can paste links too, but ones actually relevant to the point made:  Discovered in 1961 - ohh no I'm scared it's too new and hasn't been studied enough!!!  Been around longer than most posters on this board

https://www.flagshippioneering.com/timelines/mrna-timeline

The indignation doesn't help your cause.

What did I say that was false? Nothing? You were originally wrong and had to correct your statement yet were still playing the righteous indignant "I don't like anti-vaxxers"?

Come on, get serious.

This was the FIRST vaccine that was not a trial, that was distributed to humans. You acting like people are anti-science for not wanting that first one is asinine. 

Especially when we are talking about COVID. This wasn't Polio where 10% of the people infected died and nearly all had some form of cripling debilitation (wheel chairs, limps, etc). This was a terrible flu, yes far worse than the "right" made it out but also far less than the "left" made it out to be.

If this was a real life or death scenario, like I was elderly, obese, etc (any of the co-morbities that COVID killed a high proportion of the infected) then I would have got it and took that chance. But due to the relative health and age I didn't take that chance. I had COVID twice and never had it worse than a typical cold/flu.

So yes, many people took the newness of the type of vaccine into the calculated risk of the vaccine vs how bad the illness was for their age/health. That's called actually paying attention to the science, not denying it.

Be less pompous next time.

gut wrote:

And correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it the traditional chicken-based Covid vaccine that had problems and had to be pulled from the market?  J&J?

All this hand wringing, yet the traditional vaccines have not proven safer or more effective.

Yes, J&J showed elevated instances of blood clots and was pulled, one or two of the mRNA vaccines showed elevated instances of myocarditis and from what I remember the brand/version of the vaccine was changed to alleviate the side effects.

The myocarditis was somewhat swept under the rug or "accepted" because COVID 19 does that as well so it was easier to lump in with those cases in the news and general public.

If I didn’t have to have it working in a healthcare office I would not have got the first two. 

Speaking about just the covid mRNA vaccine, one of the doctors who "created" it said that it wasn't ready for mass consumption. But he got censored and then banned from most media.  Doctor Malone. He was accused of misinformation.

CenterBHSFan wrote:

Speaking about just the covid mRNA vaccine, one of the doctors who "created" it said that it wasn't ready for mass consumption. But he got censored and then banned from most media.  Doctor Malone. He was accused of misinformation.

Malone was not involved in any aspect of mRNA vaccine development. He has not received attention outside of quack media because fact-checking revealed his claims for credit were unfounded. He also quickly jumped on the initial attention to endorse of use of meds with narrow therapeutic window and no benefit in COVID management (e.g. ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine), which were and continue to be extremely dangerous recs for mass public consumption. 

Malone did have groundbreaking findings regarding the potential use of mRNA in medical forms through its potential role in the development of foreign protein structure in other cells. There were thousands of subsequent discoveries by people who weren’t Malone to get us to the point of using mRNA to deliver the coding necessary for our bodies to develop proteins that are structurally similar to the COVID spike protein.  

Saying that Malone was involved in the invention of the mRNA vaccine is like saying the first guy to enjoy an apple was involved in the invention of apple pie. 

Regarding myocarditis, the risk is not similar between the vaccines and the infection. The risk of myocarditis is estimated at 328% higher in non-vaccine recipients who get COVID than vaccine recipients. If you were committed to staying at home and avoiding the potential for COVID, great, skip the vaccine. Given that there were 111,000,000 known COVID infections from 2020-2024, I think that’s unlikely to have been possible. You would’ve reduced your risk of myocarditis by getting the vaccine, and reduced the risk of someone else getting myocarditis when you accidentally spread the infection. 

Not calling anyone wrong for their personal decision process, just stating that, now that we have a massive data set, it’s possible to state that the vaccine benefit outweighs the risk for what I suspect is about 99.5-99.9% of patients. 

Also not intending for this to be pompous or insulting to anyone here. Debating medical theories is fun for me and I get paid to review the data. 

CenterBHSFan wrote:

Speaking about just the covid mRNA vaccine, one of the doctors who "created" it said that it wasn't ready for mass consumption. But he got censored and then banned from most media.  Doctor Malone. He was accused of misinformation.

Well, I intentionally wrote it out in this particular way, and using quotes. I never made the claim that he created the basic mRNA. Just want to split this frog hair four ways because people here have a bad habit of mischaracterizing what others say. Not referring to you in this. Just a general note on the matter. 

But Malone never should have been censored or banned. Ever. People would have been better served if others (not Fauci) had gone on to explain things better. I hope our govt/media never does this again.

A couple measles cases today locking down our local hospital….both young children

Ironman92 wrote:

A couple measles cases today locking down our local hospital….both young children

Locking down? Small hospital with no ISO rooms?