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Tovac 119

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Jan 21, 2010 1:49 AM
Now that most teams are going to pool tournaments and dual tournaments is winning 100 matches still an accomplishment, or is it now a thing of the past?
Jan 21, 2010 1:49am
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knightflyer150

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Jan 21, 2010 6:17 AM
Depends on the schedule.
Jan 21, 2010 6:17am
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Dad4Sports

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Jan 21, 2010 7:59 AM
Tovac 119 wrote: is winning 100 matches still an accomplishment
Definitely "still an accomplishment" ....no doubt about that. However, it may not mean what it once did. Maybe the old "100 wins" is now equivilent to 125 or so.
Jan 21, 2010 7:59am
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ksig489

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Jan 21, 2010 8:10 AM
You still have to win 100 matches even if you wrestle 150. There have been a lot of wrestlers over the years who have bled and dripped sweat every day and didnt win 67% of their matches.

On some schedules, kids can get 50 matches a year...but those usually include 5-8 matches at district and state.

I honestly wouldnt mind seeing the state cut back on the schedule a week or so...50+ matches in a season is a lot...kids are getting run down more and more.
Jan 21, 2010 8:10am
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Joe Daugherty

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Jan 21, 2010 8:17 AM
ksig489 wrote: You still have to win 100 matches even if you wrestle 150. There have been a lot of wrestlers over the years who have bled and dripped sweat every day and didnt win 67% of their matches.

On some schedules, kids can get 50 matches a year...but those usually include 5-8 matches at district and state.

I honestly wouldnt mind seeing the state cut back on the schedule a week or so...50+ matches in a season is a lot...kids are getting run down more and more.
I would like to see it extended, and take away the points rule. Let em wrestle however many they can handle. IMO
Jan 21, 2010 8:17am
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ksig489

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Jan 21, 2010 8:33 AM
Honestly...kids can get over 70 matches a year if the coaches really wanted to exploit the system.

20 scheduling points

5 tri meets (5 points) = 10 matches
5 2 day 10 match tournaments (15 points) = 50 matches
sectional = 4-5 matches
district = 4-5 matches
state 4-5 matches

As soon as schools start hosting Saturday-Sunday events rather than Friday-Saturday you will start seeing kids get 10 matches a weekend. If the state took away the dual meet requirement there would be 5 more matches.

And...if the teams enter the newly proposed state dual tournament every year, there is potential for even more matches.

I just dont like it. I see too many kids who get run down and just dont wrestle as well as they should because their bodies have taken too much of a beating over a long season. Many of these kids come from long football seasons as well. Imagine what is happening to the body of a kid who carries the football 250 times then wrestles 50 matches with only one or two weeks off in between.

This is why I have started spacing our schedule way out and not wrestling as many tournaments in January to give the kids a break to heal up some. I have even given the kids a couple practices off this year which is something I NEVER thought I would have done.
Jan 21, 2010 8:33am
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222

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Jan 21, 2010 8:52 AM
Why don't you ask the kids that achieve the 100 wins? I bet it means something to them!!
Jan 21, 2010 8:52am
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Varsityfan32

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Jan 21, 2010 8:58 AM
I like the schedule the way it is adding more would jus ruin things burn wrestlers out 100 wins means alot to wrestlers still because I know not every wrestler thats ever stepped on a HS mat has a 100 wins
Jan 21, 2010 8:58am
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Joe Daugherty

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Jan 21, 2010 9:06 AM
I think the key here is a well planned out season.
As for us we don't play Baseball or football. Just Motocross.
Our season starts in late September with conditioning.
October conditioning and a few open tournaments
November is open tourneys and technique while maintaining conditioning.
December is when I pull him back for a month and let him heal his wounds and eat like a piggy during the holidays.
January Full Go !
February Full Go !
March Full Go !
April start Freestyle/Greco
May Freestyle/Greco
June Freestyle/Greco
July Starts MOTO Cross
August and September MOTO Cross.
At any point in time during the season, if the boy feels like he needs a break, I just chop up the schedule and give him a week or two to recoup. By the end of that break he is drooling over the opportunity to wrestle. Just how it goes in the Daugherty house. Too much for some and not enough for others.
I do think 100 means a ton to every kid that gets to that point!
Jan 21, 2010 9:06am
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Bitterrunner-up

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Jan 21, 2010 11:03 AM
Is 100 wins still an accomplishment? Sure. Is it what it used to be? Nowhere near. Back in the day, if you wrestled all the way through and placed at the State Tournament you got maybe 35 matches. 100 wins used to mean you at least qualified for the State Tournament twice, probably three times, and you were likely a placer more than once (back when they only placed top six). It meant that you were a State level wrestler for most of your career. I had a wrestler on my team in high school who was a runner-up as a sophomore, and then a 2X undfeated State Champion. His record was 107-8. It is commonplace now to reach 100 wins without EVER wrestling at the State Tourney.
Jan 21, 2010 11:03am
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litlguysdad

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Jan 21, 2010 11:43 AM
Dad4Sports wrote:
Tovac 119 wrote: is winning 100 matches still an accomplishment
Definitely "still an accomplishment" ....no doubt about that. However, it may not mean what it once did. Maybe the old "100 wins" is now equivilent to 125 or so.
Yes it is. I let people tell me it was not on these forums so I never made a big deal out of my older boys surpassing that mark. It wasn't their fault their school's schedule only allowed for 35 matches a season. Yes, my kids high school essentially maintains the same schedule it's had for the last 25 years. Big mistake.
Jan 21, 2010 11:43am
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cruiser_96

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Jan 21, 2010 12:38 PM
Remember: In the instance of getting rid of the points system or even raising the number... Just because you're allowed to wrestle 2-day tournaments every weekend, doesn't mean you have to! I would imagine that some folks would do it, but if they did, they'd only do it once - at most, twice. Thne they'd realize why they shouldn't or even can't.
Jan 21, 2010 12:38pm
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Fab1b

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Jan 21, 2010 12:53 PM
It doesn't hold the weight it used too. It's still an accomplishment however IMO nothing to be excited over when kids now a days are wrestling in upwards of 60 - 70 matches in one school season!! The most matches I had in a single high school season was 44 back in 1994 my senior year and that included matches at state.
Jan 21, 2010 12:53pm
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ksig489

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Jan 21, 2010 1:08 PM
Something people seem to be forgetting is that there was a time in the past when scheduling was very liberal as well. If I remember right the rule was something like one event every week. The record for most wins in a season set by Jamey Kasser of Licking Heights was 62 and it held for almost 30 years. In the early '80s guys were wrestling 50+ matches easily. Al Melchiorre from Watterson was 60-11 in 1981...71 matches!

So for guys who wrestled through most of the '80s is 100 wins not much of an accomplishment? My career was 1989-1992 and managed to roll around for 110 wins, never more than 40 matches in a year and that was with 3 trips to the State tournament...I dont feel any animosity towards guys claiming 100 wins as an accomplishment in todays era of scheduling. It is a milestone...that is all. I would be bothered if the started taking 32 to state. The 7th and 8th place matches get on my nerves (I would have placed as a freshman had they done this in the past)...Im bitter about the old "follow your man" bracketing...but 100 wins...good job to you young man (or young lady with the way the sport has evolved)!
Jan 21, 2010 1:08pm
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1Rock_Solid

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Jan 21, 2010 2:01 PM
Whether you are wrestling 35 matches a season or 70 matches a season......once you reach 100 wins ............you have reached 100 wins. Still an accomplishment.
Jan 21, 2010 2:01pm
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USMCdevil05

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Jan 22, 2010 12:57 AM
It is still an accomplishment.
Jan 22, 2010 12:57am
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Rolly67

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Jan 22, 2010 6:08 AM
Archbold goes to 2 Invites and 4 Dual tournaments and has a sophomore that will probably get 200 wins.
Jan 22, 2010 6:08am
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antonysharples

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Jan 23, 2010 8:21 PM
I think it all depends on the schedule. I don't get impressed by 100 or even 150 wins when kids are wrestling 50+matches a year. Now 35 or 40 matches per year is much more immpressive.
Jan 23, 2010 8:21pm
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hang_loose

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Jan 23, 2010 8:35 PM
^^^^^ You lost me???????
Jan 23, 2010 8:35pm