Please do explain this, Mr. Cochran.Spock;1867339 wrote:Obama EO were illegal in many cases
O-Trap;1867330 wrote:Effectively, it circumvented Congress. Saying that it circumvented "the bureaucratic administrative state" is just calling Congress part of the bureaucratic administrative state. As such, yes, you just referred to Congress, and their process in the checks-and-balances system, as more or less an unnecessary step.
The problem is, if you make this defense, you legitimize the process by which Obama pushed the ACA through.
The proposed order includes changes to the legislation surrounding the permit and approval process for infrastructure. It is not the job of the Executive Office to change legislation. It is the job of the Legislative branch ... the houses of Congress.
This is, in effect, the president legislating by running an end-around by the Legislative branch.
Did this come STRAIGHT out of an Obama speech after his EO? It sure sounds like it. According to him at the time, Congress wasn't doing his job, so he had to do what was best for the American people.QuakerOats;1867345 wrote:Effectively the administrative state has circumvented congress. Until congress reasserts its duty-bound authority, the president will have to act on behalf of The People, not in creating or adding to the bureaucratic morass to the detriment of The People (such as in the case of obama edicts), but by subtracting from the administrative state's radical over-regulation and overreach.
"It's not the same! It's a guy from MY PARTY doing it!!!"QuakerOats;1867527 wrote:Except it is not the same; in fact the effects are the opposite --- see # 2372 above.
President wants to do something. He says he believes that it is good for the people. Doesn't appear to trust Congress to put it through. Signs EO to put it through himself.QuakerOats;1867527 wrote:Except it is not the same; in fact the effects are the opposite --- see # 2372 above.
Heretic;1867530 wrote:"It's not the same! It's a guy from MY PARTY doing it!!!"
We know, QQ, we know.
The last 16 years..... Obama didn't sound that tough ever.ptown_trojans_1;1868038 wrote:It's not bad. It was largely the same stuff we have heard the last 16 years: build up Afghan troops, keep Taliban down, try and force Pakistan to do their share, involve India, and hunt terrorists.
There were nice changes, not micromanaging from the White House is one, and saying the others must help as well.
Largely, it is the same stuff from the last 16 years. I really didn't hear a way to try and get the Taliban to start peace talks, which is really the only way this ends.
And, hey Trump didn't sound like too much of an idiot, so win!
WTF does sounding tough have to do with anything?Spock;1868041 wrote:The last 16 years..... Obama didn't sound that tough ever.
Pretty much this.ptown_trojans_1;1868038 wrote: And, hey Trump didn't sound like too much of an idiot, so win!
And also this.gut;1868059 wrote:Once again, all kinds of partisan bickering about Trump's military policy and decisions....as it was with Obama....and, like Ptown said, it's largely the same.
Whether Trump or Obama didn't want to lead, or are incapable of leading doesn't matter. They're basically the same. Checks and balances, and the rest of the govt is fully capable of doing just fine with an empty suit in the oval office.
There's a lot more similarities, at least in impact and effect, between Obama and Trump then either's kool-aid drinkers would ever want to admit.
An increase of less than 5k troops I highly doubt is going to tip the balance.QuakerOats;1868109 wrote:I guess it always seemed like obama was calculating how to win politically, amidst international turmoil; with Trump it seems like he is planning to win the war, and to hell with the politics of it. I appreciate that.
You really are an idiot sometimes. Seriously.Spock;1868041 wrote:The last 16 years..... Obama didn't sound that tough ever.
This is international politics, not an elementary school playground. Terrorists aren't going to stop terrorizing because a politician "sounds tough". The only things that matter are policies and proper implementation of them (ie: something better than "bomb a bunch of places and create more terrorists due to destabilizing the region").Spock;1868041 wrote:The last 16 years..... Obama didn't sound that tough ever.
Spock;1868041 wrote:The last 16 years..... Obama didn't sound that tough ever.
