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Azubuike24

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Jun 14, 2015 2:21 PM
While I don't doubt it, how many of that group who were assisted in cover ups by police or university officials are related to alcohol, drugs or activities stemming from the uses of substances? I'd venture to say it's almost all of them. Things like the Jameis Winston thing don't just get swept under the rug every time and just go away. Those are serious allegations.

Possession of weed? Traffic violations? Underage drinking? Anything related to these? It's just as rampant that they are overlooked and dismissed in the general public.

I'd bet that the 24% number is true for almost any college fraternity or in many social groups as well. Why is it alarming when athletes are much different?

People need to quit holding them to a higher standard because they are public figures and play sports. As you see from that list, it's not a geographical thing.
Jun 14, 2015 2:21pm
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Jun 14, 2015 2:23 PM
Azubuike24;1734465 wrote:While I don't doubt it, how many of that group who were assisted in cover ups by police or university officials are related to alcohol, drugs or activities stemming from the uses of substances? I'd venture to say it's almost all of them. Things like the Jameis Winston thing don't just get swept under the rug every time and just go away. Those are serious allegations.

Possession of weed? Traffic violations? Underage drinking? Anything related to these? It's just as rampant that they are overlooked and dismissed in the general public.

I'd bet that the 24% number is true for almost any college fraternity or in many social groups as well. Why is it alarming when athletes are much different?

People need to quit holding them to a higher standard because they are public figures and play sports. As you see from that list, it's not a geographical thing.
You think 24% of frat bros are involved in criminal activity? No way


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Jun 14, 2015 2:23pm
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Jun 14, 2015 4:20 PM
SportsAndLady;1734464 wrote:http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13065247/college-athletes-major-programs-benefit-confluence-factors-somes-avoid-criminal-charges

That's a list I'm glad Ohio State isn't a part of.

24% of athletes at UF are suspects in a criminal activity at some point? What?!


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OSU isn't part of list because they were only looking at the 10 schools that were listed. On the TV airing of it, they said picked places that were considered college towns, and they only had the funding to study 10.
Jun 14, 2015 4:20pm
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Jun 14, 2015 7:49 PM
Loved this report as well! A few of the big stats

"From 2009 to 2014, male basketball and football players at the University of Florida and Florida State University avoided criminal charges or prosecution on average two-thirds of the time when named as suspects in police documents, a result far exceeding that of non-athlete males in the same age range"

"Florida State had the second-highest number of athletes named in criminal allegations: 66 men's basketball and football athletes. In 70 percent of those incidents, the athletes either never faced charges, had charges against them dropped or were not prosecuted. By comparison, cases ended up without being prosecuted 50 percent of the time among a sample of crimes involving college-age males in Tallahassee."
Jun 14, 2015 7:49pm
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Jun 14, 2015 8:37 PM
Al Bundy;1734473 wrote:OSU isn't part of list because they were only looking at the 10 schools that were listed. On the TV airing of it, they said picked places that were considered college towns, and they only had the funding to study 10.
It would be interesting to see a wider scope, but I feel like outside of UF/FSU that most would be in a similar grouping below those 2

At the same time, they're basically reporting that water is wet. Everyone knows, but will it ever change?
Jun 14, 2015 8:37pm
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Jun 14, 2015 8:58 PM
SportsAndLady;1734466 wrote:You think 24% of frat bros are involved in criminal activity? No way


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Is that sarcasm?
Jun 14, 2015 8:58pm
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Jun 14, 2015 9:01 PM
Mulva;1734544 wrote:Is that sarcasm?
No? 1 out of 4 people? lol
Jun 14, 2015 9:01pm
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Jun 14, 2015 10:00 PM
SportsAndLady;1734548 wrote:No? 1 out of 4 people? lol
I'd wager a higher percentage than that take some form of illegal drugs. And every frat at every school in the country is guilty of providing alcohol to minors.
Jun 14, 2015 10:00pm
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Jun 14, 2015 10:02 PM
Mulva;1734595 wrote:I'd wager a higher percentage than that take some form of illegal drugs. And every frat at every school in the country is guilty of providing alcohol to minors.
I didn't mean don't partake in anything criminal. I meant being, at minimum, questioned by the police for a criminal offense.
Jun 14, 2015 10:02pm
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Jun 14, 2015 10:03 PM
SportsAndLady;1734596 wrote:I didn't mean don't partake in anything criminal. I meant being, at minimum, questioned by the police for a criminal offense.
Ahhh, gotcha. Then I agree.
Jun 14, 2015 10:03pm
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Jun 14, 2015 11:00 PM
That's my point. Break it down to "criminal offenses" that don't involve drinking, weed, driving violations or anything stemming from that stuff and you've sold me.

I'd venture to say that eliminate those things and show me the numbers of college athletes involved in rape, robbery, assault, drug trafficking, etc...and I guarantee it's equal to or even lower than typical society.

"Criminal offense" is way too vague and means nothing when you're talking a super large sample size of a dozen universities with over 100+ athletes per team over a 5-year period.

I mean, taking a piss in the woods or outside in public is considered a felony sexual offense. You don't think 100% of frat boys are guilty of it?
Jun 14, 2015 11:00pm
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Jun 14, 2015 11:02 PM
...and don't get me wrong. I believe high-profile athletes are much more likely to get people to cover things up. The police, the media, university officials, etc. There's no doubt the incentive is there in certain situations to keep things quiet more so that it would be for a typical kid.

But what's the point of the piece? Athletes get away with more than the average person? DUH.
Jun 14, 2015 11:02pm
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Jun 14, 2015 11:15 PM
Azubuike24;1734669 wrote:That's my point. Break it down to "criminal offenses" that don't involve drinking, weed, driving violations or anything stemming from that stuff and you've sold me.

I'd venture to say that eliminate those things and show me the numbers of college athletes involved in rape, robbery, assault, drug trafficking, etc...and I guarantee it's equal to or even lower than typical society.

"Criminal offense" is way too vague and means nothing when you're talking a super large sample size of a dozen universities with over 100+ athletes per team over a 5-year period.

I mean, taking a piss in the woods or outside in public is considered a felony sexual offense. You don't think 100% of frat boys are guilty of it?
What the fuck are you talking about




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Jun 15, 2015 8:59 AM
I'd like to see how many coaches have been convicted of criminal charges? Of course Kelly dodged a murder rap just because it took place at ND.
Jun 15, 2015 8:59am
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Jun 15, 2015 10:24 AM
SportsAndLady;1734685 wrote:What the fuck are you talking about
Translation. None of this is a big deal unless we're talking serious criminal offenses. And the point of the article? To point out that athletes are more likely to skate on this stuff. Already assumed.
Jun 15, 2015 10:24am
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Jun 15, 2015 11:35 AM
Whatever the real number is I bet it was much, much worse back in the day with letting athletes off for violations.
Jun 15, 2015 11:35am