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rydawg5

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Dec 30, 2009 12:25 PM
If you could pick the first pick of a draft that included any NFL player at 21-22 years old, who would be your first pick?

This is a good way to determine who is the best "player" in history, because the first pick would be, in your opinion, the most important impactful person to possibly pick.

Would you go with a great Quarterback? Runningback?

I think I am torn between Lawrence Taylor or Ray Lewis or maybe Peyton Manning.

I would probably go with Lawrence Taylor though.
Dec 30, 2009 12:25pm
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thedynasty1998

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Dec 30, 2009 12:28 PM
Peyton Manning. A QB is much more valuable than a LB, even though LT dominated like few have ever done.

I just don't think there's ever been a better player than Manning. I know it's up for debate, but no one will convince me any different.
Dec 30, 2009 12:28pm
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rydawg5

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Dec 30, 2009 12:30 PM
I love the "Who would your draft pick be" because it really has nothing to do with Titles or achievements. People will say "Trent Dilfer MUST be better than Warren Moon because of a Super Bowl Ring"

Smoking crack.

And I agree.. Peyton Manning is the best quarterback to ever play this game.
Dec 30, 2009 12:30pm
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Dec 30, 2009 12:31 PM
rydawg5 wrote: I love the "Who would your draft pick be" because it really has nothing to do with Titles or achievements. People will say "Trent Dilfer MUST be better than Warren Moon because of a Super Bowl Ring"

Smoking crack.

And I agree.. Peyton Manning is the best quarterback to ever play this game.
Joe Montana might have something to say about that...
Dec 30, 2009 12:31pm
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Dec 30, 2009 12:32 PM
I have to go with Peyton Manning as well.
Dec 30, 2009 12:32pm
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rydawg5

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Dec 30, 2009 12:35 PM
I think I would take Steve Young over Montana to be honest.
Dec 30, 2009 12:35pm
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Dec 30, 2009 12:38 PM
I would take Barry Sanders. Then give him the best OL I can. Then give him the ball. Watch and enjoy.
Dec 30, 2009 12:38pm
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Dec 30, 2009 12:40 PM
I'd probably start a team with Ray Lewis. Just love the way he plays and the intensity he brings to the field
Dec 30, 2009 12:40pm
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Dec 30, 2009 12:42 PM
darbypitcher22 wrote: I'd probably start a team with Ray Lewis. Just love the way he plays and the intensity he brings to the field
My team already beats your team.
Dec 30, 2009 12:42pm
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HeathAlum21

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Dec 30, 2009 12:45 PM
I can't take Peyton Manning because of his lack of post season success. I would take a QB though.
Dec 30, 2009 12:45pm
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Dec 30, 2009 12:47 PM
LT is a great choice, I too would take him. Defenses win championships, so I would also consider Dick Butkus or maybe even Reggie White.

If I had to go offense, Peyton Manning certainly is a great choice, but I would probably lean toward a RB, perhaps Barry Sanders or Walter Payton.
Dec 30, 2009 12:47pm
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Dec 30, 2009 12:51 PM
why does your team beat my team?
Dec 30, 2009 12:51pm
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rydawg5

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Dec 30, 2009 12:59 PM
The problem with taking a "great" runningback is that everytime would have a darn good runningback in this draft. I think there is a huge drop off between LT and then the next best pass rusher..

I do think OJ Simpson would be up high on my draft board for runningbacks too.
Dec 30, 2009 12:59pm
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Dec 30, 2009 1:01 PM
For what it's worth, here's what the NFL 75th Anniversary Team looked like.

QBs
Sammy Baugh
John Unitas
Joe Montana
Otto Graham

HBs
Gale Sayers
OJ Simpson
Walter Payton
Steve Van Buren

FBs
Jim Brown
Marion Motley
Bronko Nagurski

WRs
Jerry Rice
Lance Alworth
Don Hutson
Raymond Berry

TEs
Mike Ditka
Kellen Winslow

OTs
Roosevelt Brown
Anthony Munoz
Forrest Gregg

OGs
Gene Upshaw
Jim Parker
John Hannah

Cs
Mike Webster
Mel Hein

DEs
Deacon Jones
Gino Marchetti
Reggie White

DTs
Mean Joe Greene
Bob Lilly
Merlin Olsen

OLBs
Ted Hendricks
Lawrence Taylor
Jack Ham

ILBs
Willie Lanier
Jack Lambert
Ray Nitschke
Dick Butkus

CBs
Mel Blount
Night Train Lane
Mike Haynes
Rod Woodson

Ss
Ken Houston
Ronnie Lott
Larry Wilson

K
Jan Stenerud

P
Ray Guy

KR
Gale Sayers

PR
Billy "White Shoes" Johnson

Since the team was named in 1994, these are who would be up for serious consideration for the 100th Anniversary Team in 2020.

QB
Peyton Manning
Steve Young
Dan Marino
Brett Favre

RB
Barry Sanders
LaDainian Tomlinson

WR
Randy Moss
Terrell Owens
Marvin Harrison

TE
Shannon Sharpe

OT
Orlando Pace
Willie Roaf
Jonathan Ogden

OG
Bruce Matthews
Randall McDaniel
Larry Allen
Will Shields

C
Dermontti Dawson
Tom Nalen

DE
Bruce Smith
Richard Seymour

DT
Cortez Kennedy
John Randle
Bryant Young

OLB
Derrick Thomas

ILB
Junior Seau

CB
Deion Sanders
Aeneas Williams
Champ Bailey

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Rodney Harrison
Ed Reed

KR
Josh Cribbs

PR
Mel Gray
Dec 30, 2009 1:01pm
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Sonofanump

Dec 30, 2009 1:05 PM
How many teams? If I had a top 4 pick, I would go QB. I am sure you could come up with a lot more premier running backs.

Young- Let's find him a helmet that prevents concussions
Manning
Elway
Marino

Next five maybe late in the first round
Unitas
Moon
Favre
Warner
Kelly

The middle of the road guys
Tarkenton
Staubach
Fouts
Brady
Mcnabb
Starr
Theisman
Dawson
Aikman
Simms
Dec 30, 2009 1:05pm
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Dec 30, 2009 1:13 PM
darbypitcher22 wrote: why does your team beat my team?
Because you took Ray Lewis and I have Peyton. Obviously I had the better draft.

I know the defense wins championships talk, but how can you not take a QB? QB's are the most important players in the game and can make an average team good or a good team bad with poor play.

Take Manning off the Colts and they are an average NFL team. Put him on the Jags and they are by far the best team in the NFL.

The QB, namely Manning, controls every single play that is called on offense and is more valuable than any coach in the NFL.
Dec 30, 2009 1:13pm
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Dec 30, 2009 1:20 PM
thedynasty1998 wrote:
darbypitcher22 wrote: why does your team beat my team?
Because you took Ray Lewis and I have Peyton. Obviously I had the better draft.

I know the defense wins championships talk, but how can you not take a QB? QB's are the most important players in the game and can make an average team good or a good team bad with poor play.

Take Manning off the Colts and they are an average NFL team. Put him on the Jags and they are by far the best team in the NFL.

The QB, namely Manning, controls every single play that is called on offense and is more valuable than any coach in the NFL.
Your points are valid ... however, put LT or White on the Dolphins with Marino, and he may have won that elusive Super Bowl.

To offer a pro-RB argument, Elway needed Terrell Davis to win his first ring.

Also, how many teams have won because of their defense while featuring an "ok" QB .... the 1990-91 Giants (Hostetler), 2000-01 Ravens (Dilfer), 1987-88 Redskins (Williams), etc all come to mind. Conversely, stud QBs like Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, etc are still waiting to win the big one.
Dec 30, 2009 1:20pm
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Dec 30, 2009 1:29 PM
HeathAlum21 wrote: I can't take Peyton Manning because of his lack of post season success. I would take a QB though.
I dont get that argument at all. If Manning wins a SB this year he is the same freaking QB as if he loses. However, if he wins people will vault him to the best ever and if he loses people will say "eh, top 5 but not the best"

It just makes no sense. It isnt even like he is Marino, the guy HAS A SUPER BOWL. I guess its a compliment, he is soooo good, people expect(ed) him to have 3 already with a few more to come.


For the record. Id take Manning first overall.
Dec 30, 2009 1:29pm
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Sonofanump

Dec 30, 2009 1:31 PM
Find 32 posters, get a draft order and see where this goes.
Dec 30, 2009 1:31pm
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Dec 30, 2009 1:39 PM
Laley, I couldn't agree more.

It's like that in every sport. A guy like Lebron (where I'll admit that to be the greatest you should be able to carry an NBA team to a championship because you are 1/5 of the team), he's the same player today as he will be in a few months if he does indeed win a championship.


As for the RB, I think that's the second most important piece. Of all the great defenses, it wasn't because they ONE great player, it's a bunch of players together that make the great defense. As for the Colts, I think most would consider them a very good offense, and that is almost solely due to Manning.
Dec 30, 2009 1:39pm
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Dec 30, 2009 1:57 PM
Jim Brown
Dec 30, 2009 1:57pm
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mallymal614

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Dec 30, 2009 2:07 PM
Jim Brown!!!!!!!!!!!
Dec 30, 2009 2:07pm
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Dec 30, 2009 2:13 PM
Jim Brown would be my pick if I didnt have a top 5 pick (aka, the top 5 QBs)
Dec 30, 2009 2:13pm
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Dec 30, 2009 2:20 PM
Either Josh Cribbs or Jerome Harrison.
Dec 30, 2009 2:20pm
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Dec 30, 2009 2:24 PM
JaMarcus Russell. Prototype.
Dec 30, 2009 2:24pm