I used to be much more of a traditionalist when it comes to uniforms but now I don't really care. Remember the stink when Nike changed Seattle's uniforms? Now I think they're among the best in the NFL, especially the gray alternates.thavoice;1583907 wrote: This isnt like college and some stupid fashion show.
Drafting a good QB will change the next decade for the browns.sleeper;1583911 wrote:Careful. Everyone here thinks drafting a rookie QB is going to change the Browns forever, see the above QB's the Browns have drafted and the numerous 1st round failures over the past decade.
Signed, the 2013 NFL Champions Seattle Seahawks and the 2013 NFL Runner ups Denver Broncos.SportsAndLady;1583920 wrote:Drafting a good QB will change the next decade for the browns.
Drafting a good LB will change absolutely nothing for the browns.
Von Miller was out half the year and it didn't affect Denver at all. Lol Good comparison.sleeper;1583928 wrote:Pretty hilarious that you think Manziel will be a better pro than a guy like Mack. You don't think Mack is going to be the next Vonn Miller? LOL
Just think how good the Broncos would be if they had the best LB in the league on that defense.hangonsloopy;1583930 wrote:Von Miller was out half the year and it didn't affect Denver at all. Lol Good comparison.
They would have won the AFC championship and lost in the Super Bowl.sleeper;1583931 wrote:Just think how good the Broncos would be if they had the best LB in the league on that defense.
Cool. So somehow even having the best QB in the game still isn't good enough to beat the best defense in the game. Please tell me that Manziel is better than Peyton Manning. LOLAl Bundy;1583937 wrote:They would have won the AFC championship and lost in the Super Bowl.
The outcome of their season wouldn't have been any different with/without Von Miller. The outcome of their season would have been much different without Manning.sleeper;1583957 wrote:Cool. So somehow even having the best QB in the game still isn't good enough to beat the best defense in the game. Please tell me that Manziel is better than Peyton Manning. LOL
Good to hear your goal for Cleveland is a second place finish at best going forward. Again, please tell me how Manziel will be Peyton Manning and get us to the promise land. He won't, you know it, we know it, hell even the dog knows it.Al Bundy;1583969 wrote:The outcome of their season wouldn't have been any different with/without Von Miller. The outcome of their season would have been much different without Manning.
Glad to hear that you are unable to argue against logic and reason. It's a common problem; enjoy!like_that;1583959 wrote:The sleeper QB arguments is almost just as fucking dumb as the BR McCoy/Weeden arguments.
The argument comes down to an opinion. Nice fail though.sleeper;1583971 wrote:Glad to hear that you are unable to argue against logic and reason. It's a common problem; enjoy!
Not really. I've posted the list of QBs that were drafted in the top 10 over the past decade+ and asked which of these QBs has won a Super Bowl and no one answered the question. The negative correlation is fairly high with drafting a QB in the top ten and winning a super bowl but apparently that's just opinion. LOLlike_that;1583979 wrote:The argument comes down to an opinion. Nice fail though.
It's merely a risk reward evaluation based on the metrics of the Super Bowl champs Seattle Seahawks. They have the best defense in the league and won because of their defense yet Browns fans think drafting Manziel is going to make them contenders. Sorry, but the statistics are fairly simple; drafting a QB in the top 10 rarely if ever brings home a Super Bowl victory. Eli is the only one to do it in the past 12 years and one could make a fairly strong argument that they won only because of their stellar defenses. I think you also forget the Browns have drafted 3 QBs in round 1 since they came back and all of them are COMPLETE GARBAGE. Do I also need to post the definition of insanity? LOLDeyDurkie5;1583980 wrote:Unproven linebacker out of a mac school will somehow lead the browns to the title they so crave. Now that is sound logic and reasoning.
I don't think they will draft the correct QB PERIOD but I'd much rather blow a 5th rounder on a prospect that may never pan out vs. dropping a 1st round draft pick and handicapping the organization for the next 6 years of his rookie contract(see: Sam Bradford). Remember when NFL scouts were gushing over Bradford and how he's supposed to be the next great QB; how's that working out for the Rams? LOLLaley23;1583982 wrote:I bet there are more QB busts in the last 15 years than there are 1st round QB busts.
But somehow, the Browns are going to be able to draft the right late round QB. That confidence probably comes from all the picks at QB they have nailed over the years.
True, but that also was the last year of the old salary system for rookies that really hamstrung teams taking a QB very high.sleeper;1583984 wrote:I don't think they will draft the correct QB PERIOD but I'd much rather blow a 5th rounder on a prospect that may never pan out vs. dropping a 1st round draft pick and handicapping the organization for the next 6 years of his rookie contract(see: Sam Bradford). Remember when NFL scouts were gushing over Bradford and how he's supposed to be the next great QB; how's that working out for the Rams? LOL
It's not just the Browns though; its every organization. I find it hilarious that my argument which is based mostly on facts is "stupid" while your opinion based solely on your opinion somehow makes sense. LOLDeyDurkie5;1583985 wrote:For one Pete Carroll wasn't winning until he got russell. So he had a lot to do with it. Two those QBs were drafted by a different regime. Who is to say farmer and Pettine won't get it right? You can't blame previous regimes on this one. Your argument is just stupid really.
Manning wasn't drafted in the first round?sleeper;1583925 wrote:Signed, the 2013 NFL Champions Seattle Seahawks and the 2013 NFL Runner ups Denver Broncos.
Both of these QBs drafted QBs in the first round...
OH WAIT.
It's not about contract value. If we draft Manziel, do you really think we are going to draft another QB in the next 5 years of his rookie contract? No. It's the same problem the Rams have and the same problem Oakland had for a few years with Russell. Manziel is rated lower than Bradford in draft value yet every Brown's fans think he's going to be the next Peyton Manning. Please, history, logic, and reason show that Manziel is MUCH MORE LIKELY to be the next Tannehill than anything else.DeyDurkie5;1583987 wrote:Lol sleeper you arent handicapped with sam Bradford contracts dumbie. New bargaining agreement killed that. Keep trying though
