Defensive holding is defensive holding. You're thinking of pass interference, where the ball has to be catchable.robj55;1538529 wrote:Okay, so if the ball is like 30 yards overthrown the hold superceeds the play regardless?
Okay thanks for clarifying.SportsAndLady;1538530 wrote:Defensive holding is defensive holding. You're thinking of pass interference, where the ball has to be catchable.
Shouldn't have been at the 1 yard line, but it definitely should have been half the distance and an untimed down.
The reporters are so annoyingBig_Mirg_ZHS;1538531 wrote:I do love how you can hear the panthers celebrating in the background during the hoodies press conference
Lol come on..mucalum49;1538622 wrote:Just to play devil's advocate. If they rightfully called the leg whip on the Pats offensive lineman earlier in the game do you think they still score a TD on that drive in the 3rd quarter which led to all of this?
I think if they were going for a holding call then yes untimed down at the 7. But did the ref who threw the flag call PI? If so then the refs statement after the game explains the NFL rule of how PI is invalidated if it's called as a defender is intercepting. Not sure I follow but apparently it's a rule.
None of this excuses the fact they didn't explain it on the field.
I think this link does a good job breaking it down.wildcats20;1538646 wrote:It seems like a lot of football people are agreeing with the call.
I have only heard/seen former players/coaches DISAGREE with that call.wildcats20;1538646 wrote:It seems like a lot of football people are agreeing with the call.
This is my beef with it last night. A ref threw a flag because he saw a penalty. Then they picked it up. Not at all uncommon, but in the case last night it WAS a penalty. That is I think most people's beef. If they had not thrown a flag....eh...shit happens, but he saw the penalty, threw the flag, and then gave some BS reason.Laley23;1538746 wrote:
Lol. that wouldve have been a holding on the Pats...the semi-hail mary to Thompkins doesnt count. Pats lose. What are you talking about??? It was the final play of that game...thavoice;1538749 wrote:This is my beef with it last night. A ref threw a flag because he saw a penalty. Then they picked it up. Not at all uncommon, but in the case last night it WAS a penalty. That is I think most people's beef. If they had not thrown a flag....eh...shit happens, but he saw the penalty, threw the flag, and then gave some BS reason.
As far as that picture. Eh, who is to say that cost anyone the game? That looks familiar...James Harrision with the steelers got tied up all the time like that with no calls.
I had no idea what that play was from, sorry dude.Laley23;1538753 wrote:Lol. that wouldve have been a holding on the Pats...the semi-hail mary to Thompkins doesnt count. Pats lose. What are you talking about??? It was the final play of that game...
As for the 1st point, they called PI I thought? In that case, it was then ruled uncatchable because it was undercut by a defender and intercepted. Lots of analysts and people who know the rules a lot better than you or I agreed with the call.
Correct. Good example was when late in the 4th on a 2 point conversion, a school down 24-22 went for two. QB throws a total duck and the TE gets popped by the LB way early. I throw the flag and the head referee tried to talk me out of it basically. Asked what happened, and if I was sure twice. It was an obvious call but I saw there personally how scared some of these guys are to make that call, and for these refs with millions of people watching they must be scared shitless to blow the whistlePick6;1539137 wrote:They had some former ref on ESPN earlier. When asked if referees always call the game the same, he said something along the lines of "coaches call different plays in certain situations, players play different in certain situations, I think its fair to say that refs call games differently in certain situations"
Dont get me wrong, I love seeing Brady lose, but that's a fucking joke. I cannot stand when refs let players get away with more at the end of the game in basketball and football. A foul is a foul.
