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Apr 23, 2013 12:29 PM
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SOURCE: San Francisco's target in a potential trade up situation is Dee
Milliner. SF "wants and salivating over" the cornerback.


Do you trade down to 31 with the Niners? I'd have to imagine the compensation would actually make Mike Ditka blush. Complete violation to drop from 6 to 31.

BTW...a name that is being thrown around (if they trade down...for the Browns) is Star Lotulelei.
Apr 23, 2013 12:29pm
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Apr 23, 2013 12:32 PM
BR1986FB;1432010 wrote: Complete violation to drop from 6 to 31.
Read somewhere that Tampa's thinking when trading for Revis was that the value in this draft wasn't in the 1st, but in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.


If that's true, then I would gladly trade the 6th for 4 of the 49ers picks in the first 3 rounds
Apr 23, 2013 12:32pm
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Apr 23, 2013 12:34 PM
BR1986FB;1432010 wrote:Brent Sobleski ‏ @
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SOURCE: San Francisco's target in a potential trade up situation is Dee
Milliner. SF "wants and salivating over" the cornerback.


Do you trade down to 31 with the Niners? I'd have to imagine the compensation would actually make Mike Ditka blush. Complete violation to drop from 6 to 31.

BTW...a name that is being thrown around (if they trade down...for the Browns) is Star Lotulelei.
Still pissed we didn't take the offer from the Saints for Ricky Williams.
Apr 23, 2013 12:34pm
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Apr 23, 2013 12:35 PM
lhslep134;1432013 wrote:Read somewhere that Tampa's thinking when trading for Revis was that the value in this draft wasn't in the 1st, but in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.


If that's true, then I would gladly trade the 6th for 4 of the 49ers picks in the first 3 rounds
Sounds like the Clippers logic for the year Kyrie Irving came out. LOL, glad they thought that way.
Apr 23, 2013 12:35pm
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Apr 23, 2013 12:38 PM
Commander of Awesome;1432016 wrote:Sounds like the Clippers logic for the year Kyrie Irving came out. LOL, glad they thought that way.
Yeah like I said, IF that's true I would do it, but I don't think it's true.

I think that trading back to the 10-15 range and getting a 2nd rounder (at least) is my preferred scenario.
Apr 23, 2013 12:38pm
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Apr 23, 2013 12:41 PM
Players from 5 down to 55 are pretty much interchangeable in this draft. Doesn't look like any impact studs but a lot of solid guys. And if we could do a deal with SF, grabbing their 1st next year, more ammo should they need to snag a QB in the 1st round.
Apr 23, 2013 12:41pm
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Apr 23, 2013 12:42 PM
Al Bundy;1431957 wrote:Do you think there are that many franchise QB's? You are saying that half the league has franchise QB's. That seems like a huge stretch.
all depends on what you think a franchise qb is. Id consider a decent consistent starter a franchise QB, which I would imagine is ~half of the league.
Stafford would definitely be a franchise qb to me. Im not sure there are 15 Qbs better than him.
Apr 23, 2013 12:42pm
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Apr 23, 2013 12:50 PM
Pick6;1432020 wrote:all depends on what you think a franchise qb is. Id consider a decent consistent starter a franchise QB, which I would imagine is ~half of the league.
Stafford would definitely be a franchise qb to me. Im not sure there are 15 Qbs better than him.
To me there's "franchise" and "elite." There are quite a few franchise guys but only a handful of elite. Romo, Flacco, Matt Ryan, Stafford, etc are "franchise" QB's. Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, etc are "elite."
Apr 23, 2013 12:50pm
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Apr 23, 2013 12:51 PM
Pick6;1432020 wrote:all depends on what you think a franchise qb is

My definition is a player that you won't even think about replacing for at a minimum of 4 years.

QBs I don't consider franchise:
Freeman
Ponder
Tannehill (although let's see what he does this year)
Cutler
Bradford (sorry, he's got one more year to prove he's a franchise QB IMO)
Vick
Locker
Palmer
Alex Smith
Weeden
Sanchez


Undecided:
Newton
Schaub
Stafford
Dalton
Apr 23, 2013 12:51pm
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Apr 23, 2013 12:51 PM
BR1986FB;1432025 wrote:To me there's "franchise" and "elite." There are quite a few franchise guys but only a handful of elite. Romo, Flacco, Matt Ryan, Stafford, etc are "franchise" QB's. Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, etc are "elite."
We are on the same page.
Apr 23, 2013 12:51pm
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Apr 23, 2013 12:54 PM
BR1986FB;1431901 wrote:Not only hearing the "Milliner will slide" comments but also that it's very possible that Geno falls to the 20's, where he belongs. NFL Network was saying even Buffalo may pass on him.
I think Buffalo made that decision when they paid Kolb the money they did. That said a lot about the QB class.
Apr 23, 2013 12:54pm
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Apr 23, 2013 12:57 PM
BR1986FB;1432010 wrote:Brent Sobleski ‏ @
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SOURCE: San Francisco's target in a potential trade up situation is Dee
Milliner. SF "wants and salivating over" the cornerback.


Do you trade down to 31 with the Niners? I'd have to imagine the compensation would actually make Mike Ditka blush. Complete violation to drop from 6 to 31.

BTW...a name that is being thrown around (if they trade down...for the Browns) is Star Lotulelei.
Saw the Lotulelei talk, mostly tied to a trade of Rubin.
Apr 23, 2013 12:57pm
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Apr 23, 2013 1:00 PM
se-alum;1432028 wrote:I think Buffalo made that decision when they paid Kolb the money they did. That said a lot about the QB class.
It will be interesting to see where he falls to.
Apr 23, 2013 1:00pm
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Apr 23, 2013 1:02 PM
Rubin has 2 yrs left on his deal including this yr. Next year he's scheduled to make around $9 mil def wouldn't discount a DLine at #6.
Apr 23, 2013 1:02pm
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Apr 23, 2013 2:51 PM
Where are the Browns at cap wise now?

Long term deals coming up to lock up the core guys?
Apr 23, 2013 2:51pm
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Apr 23, 2013 3:05 PM
Honestly I would love to trade rubin and take star. I could see star being a ngata. Or pretty close to it
Apr 23, 2013 3:05pm
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Apr 23, 2013 3:07 PM
Gameover;1432123 wrote:Where are the Browns at cap wise now?

Long term deals coming up to lock up the core guys?
Last I heard they were about $25 million under.
Apr 23, 2013 3:07pm
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Apr 23, 2013 4:31 PM
I just have a bad vibe about this draft. I think it could get ugly, and it could end up biting us in the ***. I just have this feeling that Lombardi is going to prove yet again why we all despise him. Excited for Thursday and nervous at the same time... :confused:
Apr 23, 2013 4:31pm
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Apr 23, 2013 4:42 PM
Dr. KnOiTaLL;1432228 wrote:Would love that scenario, wouldn't you?
Oh yeah. Though I think the 3rd round pick wont be there/we need a safety. I would take Rambo in the 3rd with this scenario.

And I think 2 top CBs in the first 2 rounds is overkill. Rather take Jonathan Cyprien, Warmack, Cooper, hell Floyd and get Taylor in the 2nd. He's just as good IMO.
Apr 23, 2013 4:42pm
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Apr 23, 2013 7:07 PM
BR1986FB;1432137 wrote:Last I heard they were about $25 million under.
I think it might have moved to $33M.
Apr 23, 2013 7:07pm
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Apr 23, 2013 8:51 PM
Sonofanump;1432291 wrote:Two first rounders to move back 5 spots? I'd take that before the draft starts.
Two first rounders? I'm not seeing where it says that? I see 1 first rounder and 2 seconds?
Apr 23, 2013 8:51pm
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Apr 23, 2013 8:59 PM
Dr. KnOiTaLL;1432337 wrote:Two first rounders? I'm not seeing where it says that? I see 1 first rounder and 2 seconds?
Yeah, I mis typed as I was thinking, I'll correct it.
Apr 23, 2013 8:59pm