BoatShoes;1343220 wrote:I agree that's a concern but considering that we need to secure that border better anyway and this creates a strong incentive do so I think it's a risk worth taking since, considering the alternative doesn't seem to be working so well. If you were right we could always stop and go back to the way it was, eh.

WebFire;1343239 wrote:Keeping illegal aliens out should be enough incentive. But leave it to a liberal to think keeping guns out is a stronger incentive.

BoatShoes;1343243 wrote:Where did say that was a stronger incentive or that keeping illegal aliens out wasn't a strong incentive? Pretty sure I've posted here about the possibility of border security project being a good idea for a keynesian stimulus program. But you're going off-topic here guy

GoChiefs;1343049 wrote:Yes, because gun control is going to stop something like this. :rolleyes:

ccrunner609;1343270 wrote:I cannot believe that Obamas left wing media is making this political issue on the same freakin day it happened. THe media and the WH are full of pigs.

guns dont kill people, people kill people.

isadore;1343282 wrote:it is worth an effort.

GoChiefs;1343284 wrote:Please see the story about 22 kids stabbed in China. They weren't stabbed with guns.

isadore;1343291 wrote:tell you what you make a list of all the mass stabbings and then i will make a list of all the mass shootings and we will see how they match up to tell which is a bigger threat.

isadore;1343291 wrote:tell you what you make a list of all the mass stabbings and then i will make a list of all the mass shootings and we will see how they match up to tell which is a bigger threat.

WebFire;1343246 wrote:The incentive is already in place, but it doesn't happen. YOU suggested gun control was strong incentive for border control. So if that were to happen, that would suggest to me that gun control is more important than illegal aliens.

And you brought up the topic, not me. How am I off topic?

BoatShoes;1343191 wrote:If we had some kind of national gun control, you're right, Mexico would pose a problem because we have poor border security and that's a pretty lawless state. It would at least create a singular point of entry and other countries industrialized have done an reasonable job of combating gun smuggling. It would also create an incentive for better securing our southern border.

isadore;1343283 wrote:a person using a gun killed 18 children.

GoChiefs;1343284 wrote:Please see the story about 22 kids stabbed in China. They weren't stabbed with guns.

jhay78;1343304 wrote:Have to agree with WebFire here. As long as 1) many poor, uneducated, future consumers of government services come across the border (read: become potential Democrat voters) and 2) any Republican attempt at securing said border can easily be labeled xenophobic, anti-immigrant, anti-Latino, etc., then no gun issue or any issue will create any incentive for liberals to secure the border.

BoatShoes;1343305 wrote:Also, it looks like none of those kids died. Looks like guns are more efficient killing machines.

http://americanlivewire.com/22-students-in-china-stabbed-in-elementary-school-attack-by-36-year-old-villager-min-yingjun/

BoatShoes;1343307 wrote:I realize you're really committed to the idea that liberals just want gubmint dependent zombies on the dole but I think if Republicans were to get behind the issue as a keynesian fiscal stimulus infrastructure project you could make a case that may persuade liberals.

gut;1343311 wrote:Take away guns and these crazies will just use a home-made bomb...or their car.

jhay78;1343304 wrote:A person using fertilizer killed 200+ people, and many more children, in OKC.

MY wife and I learned about the Connecticut school shootings on our way home from the cemetery, where we had just finished observing the 20th anniversary of our son’s murder.
Our son Galen, who was 18, and a teacher were killed on Dec. 14, 1992, by a deranged student who went on a shooting rampage at Simon’s Rock College in western Massachusetts. Galen was a gifted kid, and Simon’s Rock seemed like the perfect place for him. He’d never been happier. The killer had a vastly different reaction to this environment. After run-ins with college officials, he vowed to “bring the college to its knees.” He bought an SKS at a gun shop down the road, and obtained oversize clips and ammunition through the mail.
In the wake of Galen’s murder, I wrote a book about the shooting. In it I suggested that we view gun crime as a public health issue, much the same as smoking or pesticides. I spent a number of years attending rallies, signing petitions, writing letters and making speeches, but eventually I gave up. Gun control, such a live issue in the “early” days of school shootings, inexplicably became a third-rail issue for politicians.
I came to realize that, in essence, this is the way we in America want things to be. We want our freedom, and we want our firearms, and if we have to endure the occasional school shooting, so be it. A terrible shame, but hey — didn’t some guy in China just do the same thing with a knife?
Still, whatever your position on gun control, it is impossible not react with horror to news of the shootings in Connecticut. Our horror is nuanced by knowledge of what those families are going through, and what they will have to endure in years to come.
More horrible still — to me at least — is the inevitable lament, “How could we have let this happen?”
It is a horrible question because the answer is so simple. Make it easy for people to get guns and things like this will happen.

Children will continue to pay for a freedom their elders enjoy.
Gregory Gibson is the author of “Gone Boy: A Father’s Search for the Truth in His Son’s Murder.”

jhay78;1343315 wrote:Motor vehicle fatalities in US in 2011: 32,367.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year

Yearly gun homicides for the past decade in the US average around 10,000 per year.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states