http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/06/17/lost-irs-emails-get-real-team-obama-were-not-that-gullible/


BINGO

TedSheckler;1627197 wrote:We should lock this thread now. The mastermind of the Benghazi attack has been captured. Captured on Obama's watch, might I add. All hail Obama! Press conference taking credit in 3...2....1...

The timing is a bit suspect...but not surprising.

But then again, at this point "what difference does it make"?

http://online.wsj.com/articles/dick-cheney-and-liz-cheney-the-collapsing-obama-doctrine-1403046522


required reading

QuakerOats;1627320 wrote:http://online.wsj.com/articles/dick-cheney-and-liz-cheney-the-collapsing-obama-doctrine-1403046522


required reading

...Whatever makes your Dick hard. I would suggest Viagra.

Devils Advocate;1627387 wrote:...Whatever makes your Dick hard. I would suggest Viagra.

I like you DA, but if Obama told this country to go fuck itself on national tv, you would find a way to defend the guy.

I think Quaker gives Obama too much credit as some mastermind genius who wants to ruin America.

Obama is just a guy who is incompetent and doesn't know what he is doing.

DA seems pretty neutral in his posts. Definitely not an Obama apologist or a bootlicker like Colbert or Stewart, I weep for our country that young people look to them as news sources. Jon Stewart used to be somewhat halfway moderate but he's gone off the deep end.

I'm dwelling on this more than I should, but working with an IT company there is no way that the IRS simply "lost" e-mails. There is back-up everywhere and the administration just simply lies to us and expect the proles to take it. If our media wasn't so far up Obama's ass he would have been ousted months or years ago. This is getting pathetic.

pmoney25;1627389 wrote:I think Quaker gives Obama too much credit as some mastermind genius who wants to ruin America.

Obama is just a guy who is incompetent and doesn't know what he is doing.

It is hard to tell whether he is A, or B; I'll grant you that.

Manhattan Buckeye;1627394 wrote: I'm dwelling on this more than I should, but working with an IT company there is no way that the IRS simply "lost" e-mails. There is back-up everywhere and the administration just simply lies to us and expect the proles to take it. If our media wasn't so far up Obama's ass he would have been ousted months or years ago. This is getting pathetic.

Pleading the 5th + destroying incriminating documents = .................

like_that;1627388 wrote:I like you DA, but if Obama told this country to go fuck itself on national tv, you would find a way to defend the guy.

I am NOT defending him. I find it amusing that there is NOTHING that BHO could do that would not draw scrutiny from the hard right. It fact, the right has pinned itself in a corner that is so constrictive that even if they have a legitimate point, it is summarily dismissed as right wing rhetoric.

The 2 party system is so polarized that it has frozen itself in a stalemate. Neither side can try and negotiate a deal with the other without being accused as a nuthugger.

So let me be clear and state my opinion on our President. I see him as an ineffective leader, and a less that adequate politician. His 1st 2 years have crippled him because he didn't have the nads to reign control over the progressives that were fighting over their own all or nothing socialistic agenda. He should have told dirty Harry and Pigosi to go fuck themselves and bring him some bills that were inclusive of all the people instead of a socialist left wing pipe dream. That being said, BHO is not the reason or even will be the reason of our country's "impending doom". He is however a symptom of a failed republic structure that is snowballing toward an autocracy that maybe only a total changing of the guard will fix.

On the other side of the aisle, The Repubs reaped what they had sown from the 104th through the 109th Congress. Starting with the impeachment of the president over a blowjob right through the Iraq war, They shoved their agenda through the system with impunity, and only the radical supreme court stopped our country from falling over the theocratic abyss.

Most of the blame for the Democratic presidential coo is the Republicans own fault. Their own moral agenda is their own demise. They just have not produced a candidate that fits their own "pedestal" of standards that are both pallitable, and electable. I mean shit guys, Mcain (rino) and Romney? (Morman nut job) Give me a fucking break.

The only way to stop this insanity is to change constitutionally, State by State, impose term limits in all phases of the government including the Supreme Court. The role of congress should revert back to the public service sector and not be profitable in power or money for anyone. Hell, give anyone elected into congress a pension just for their service that is only revokable for being convicted of a felony.

So tell me Like_that, Is that defending Obama?

Devils Advocate;1627412 wrote:I am NOT defending him. I find it amusing that there is NOTHING that BHO could do that would not draw scrutiny from the hard right. It fact, the right has pinned itself in a corner that is so constrictive that even if they have a legitimate point, it is summarily dismissed as right wing rhetoric.

The 2 party system is so polarized that it has frozen itself in a stalemate. Neither side can try and negotiate a deal with the other without being accused as a nuthugger.

So let me be clear and state my opinion on our President. I see him as an ineffective leader, and a less that adequate politician. His 1st 2 years have crippled him because he didn't have the nads to reign control over the progressives that were fighting over their own all or nothing socialistic agenda. He should have told dirty Harry and Pigosi to go fuck themselves and bring him some bills that were inclusive of all the people instead of a socialist left wing pipe dream. That being said, BHO is not the reason or even will be the reason of our country's "impending doom". He is however a symptom of a failed republic structure that is snowballing toward an autocracy that maybe only a total changing of the guard will fix.

On the other side of the aisle, The Repubs reaped what they had sown from the 104th through the 109th Congress. Starting with the impeachment of the president over a blowjob right through the Iraq war, They shoved their agenda through the system with impunity, and only the radical supreme court stopped our country from falling over the theocratic abyss.

Most of the blame for the Democratic presidential coo is the Republicans own fault. Their own moral agenda is their own demise. They just have nor produced a candidate that fits their own "pedestal" of standards that are both pallitable, and electable. I mean shit guys, Mcain (rino) and Romney? (Morman nut job) Give me a fucking break.

The only way to stop this insanity is to change constitutionall, State by State, impose term limits in all phases of the government including the Supreme Court. The role of congress should revert back to the public service sector and not be profitable in power or money for anyone. Hell, give anyone elected into congress a pension just for their service that is only revokable for being convicted of a felony.

So tell me Like_that, Is that defending Obama?

That's fair, this is the first I've seen you post something like this. 95% of the time you are just playing exactly what your username states... Devils advocate.

Devils Advocate;1627412 wrote:I am NOT defending him. I find it amusing that there is NOTHING that BHO could do that would not draw scrutiny from the hard right. It fact, the right has pinned itself in a corner that is so constrictive that even if they have a legitimate point, it is summarily dismissed as right wing rhetoric.

The 2 party system is so polarized that it has frozen itself in a stalemate. Neither side can try and negotiate a deal with the other without being accused as a nuthugger.

So let me be clear and state my opinion on our President. I see him as an ineffective leader, and a less that adequate politician. His 1st 2 years have crippled him because he didn't have the nads to reign control over the progressives that were fighting over their own all or nothing socialistic agenda. He should have told dirty Harry and Pigosi to go fuck themselves and bring him some bills that were inclusive of all the people instead of a socialist left wing pipe dream. That being said, BHO is not the reason or even will be the reason of our country's "impending doom". He is however a symptom of a failed republic structure that is snowballing toward an autocracy that maybe only a total changing of the guard will fix.

On the other side of the aisle, The Repubs reaped what they had sown from the 104th through the 109th Congress. Starting with the impeachment of the president over a blowjob right through the Iraq war, They shoved their agenda through the system with impunity, and only the radical supreme court stopped our country from falling over the theocratic abyss.

Most of the blame for the Democratic presidential coo is the Republicans own fault. Their own moral agenda is their own demise. They just have not produced a candidate that fits their own "pedestal" of standards that are both pallitable, and electable. I mean shit guys, Mcain (rino) and Romney? (Morman nut job) Give me a fucking break.

The only way to stop this insanity is to change constitutionally, State by State, impose term limits in all phases of the government including the Supreme Court. The role of congress should revert back to the public service sector and not be profitable in power or money for anyone. Hell, give anyone elected into congress a pension just for their service that is only revokable for being convicted of a felony.

So tell me Like_that, Is that defending Obama?

+1...with the exception of the "theocratic abyss" line. That was a little drama-queenish.

fish82;1627430 wrote:+1...with the exception of the "theocratic abyss" line. That was a little drama-queenish.

A post without drama on This forum is not only against the rules, it is impossible for me.

Devils Advocate;1627412 wrote:The 2 party system is so polarized that it has frozen itself in a stalemate. Neither side can try and negotiate a deal with the other without being accused as a nuthugger.

Devils Advocate;1627412 wrote:He is however a symptom of a failed republic structure that is snowballing toward an autocracy that maybe only a total changing of the guard will fix.

I have been saying this for a couple of years now...throw each and every incumbent Senator, Representative and the POTUS out on their ass and elect new ones. Ones that will work together to represent the will of the people...all people, not just those with the same initial (R or D) after their name.

This cannot happen fast enough.

...probably would agree with most of that as a fair assessment, with the exception of labeling Romney a "Morman nut job".

Ytowngirlinfla;1625696 wrote:Thank god I'm done in 6 months because it looks like they are wanting air strikes. The previous 2 times we sat in the gulf and did nothing. I can't imagine how many ships would be sitting there shooting million dollar missiles.

Everyone knew pulling out of Iraq completely was a bad idea. Oh yeah except for Obama.

I forgot to call bullshit on this last week. Obama inherited the agreement from the Bush administration's 2008 status of armed forces agreement with IRAQ.
As i remember it, The US wanted to extend the drawdown over 10 years ans Iraq would't hear of it.

Obama implemented the plan that he inherited..... I know, I know, It's Bush's fault

HitsRus;1627457 wrote:...probably would agree with most of that as a fair assessment, with the exception of labeling Romney a "Morman nut job".

You can't inflict trauma without the drama.

I will retract Mormon nut job, and substitute "elite conservative".

Obama implemented the plan that he inherited.....

That just makes him even more ineffectual...circumstances change, and three years later...who's the president? We already have seen "where's the president" when it came to Benghazi. I can't help but think that the Al qaida is "on the run" narrative was so central to his re-election campaign that he himself actually duped himself in believing his own hype.
Not only are they not "on the run"...they are on the march.

I will retract Mormon nut job, and substitute "elite conservative".

"aloof conservative" might be a better description....he ran his campaign as if he thought that his platform was self obvious....Never did take off the gloves and throw a punch.

Devils Advocate;1627460 wrote:I forgot to call bullshit on this last week. Obama inherited the agreement from the Bush administration's 2008 status of armed forces agreement with IRAQ.
As i remember it, The US wanted to extend the drawdown over 10 years ans Iraq would't hear of it.

Obama implemented the plan that he inherited..... I know, I know, It's Bush's fault

The Bush administration is doing a terrible job of handling Iraq in his fourth term as president.

5 1/2 years ago America elected a new president to replace George W. Bush. His name is Barack Obama. He's in his second term. The last three years of the Iraq war were on Obama. He took credit for ending Iraq. He took responsibility. It was his accomplishment.

Bush In 2007: Early Withdrawal From Iraq Will Lead To Mass Killings, Terrorist Safe Haven
http://dailysurge.com/2014/06/bush-2007-early-withdrawal-iraq-will-lead-mass-killings-terrorist-safe-haven/

TedSheckler;1627473 wrote:The Bush administration is doing a terrible job of handling Iraq in his fourth term as president.

5 1/2 years ago America elected a new president to replace George W. Bush. His name is Barack Obama. He's in his second term. The last three years of the Iraq war were on Obama. He took credit for ending Iraq. He took responsibility. It was his accomplishment.

Bush In 2007: Early Withdrawal From Iraq Will Lead To Mass Killings, Terrorist Safe Haven
http://dailysurge.com/2014/06/bush-2007-early-withdrawal-iraq-will-lead-mass-killings-terrorist-safe-haven/

You can say that all you want, but it does not change the fact that Iraq does not want the US there.

What would you do Teddy? Tell the Iraqi's fuck off I'm staying? How well could our troops defend themselves fighting against the legitimate Iraqi government ( one that we installed ) and the armed Sunni extremists?

At least by cutting and running, we got the hell out of a cesspool that will take thousands of years to sort itself out, If at all.


Her's a fair and balance link http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/06/16/3449405/fox-news-celebrates-george-w-bush-as-most-clairvoyant-iraqi-analyst-ever/

^^^6 days ago Iraq formally asked for assistance. It's hard to believe that we exited without some sort of contingency plans in a case like this. it seems so amateurish that half the country could be overrun and we are still winging it.

Yet we are sending in help NOW. Iraq wants our help NOW. This just didn't happen in the past week. Fallujah fell to ISIS back in January. So either due to Obama's incompetence or due to he chose to let it get to this point, falls squarely on him.

TedSheckler;1627473 wrote:The Bush administration is doing a terrible job of handling Iraq in his fourth term as president.

LOL

At this point, what is wrong with the notion of you kicked us out, you deal with it?