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why so serious?

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Oct 31, 2012 10:52 PM
I'm not going to assume but I'm going to guess that hardly any, if any, of you guys actually watched him play tonight. I watched the entire Pistons/Rockets game (thank you League Pass) and he is UNDOUBTEDLY a top 25 talent. I can't name 25 players better than him. You don't drop 37, 12, 6, 4 by being a pure scorer. Sorry
Oct 31, 2012 10:52pm
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Oct 31, 2012 10:52 PM
SportsAndLady;1309560 wrote:37, 12, 6, and 4 for Harden
Yeah I think Varejao put numbers up like that the other night too; is he a top 25 player?
Oct 31, 2012 10:52pm
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Oct 31, 2012 10:53 PM
sleeper;1309621 wrote:Yeah I think Varejao put numbers up like that the other night too; is he a top 25 player?
Easily better than Dwight, Bynum, etc.
Oct 31, 2012 10:53pm
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Oct 31, 2012 10:57 PM
I didn't say he wasn't a top 25 player. I just asked the question. Ill hold judgement until he plays more than 1 game this season.
Oct 31, 2012 10:57pm
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Oct 31, 2012 11:10 PM
lhslep134;1309259 wrote:Then check my post above. He was #4 among non-big men who played over 20 minutes in true shooting percentage last year. Still highly elite

Did you see the part of my post where I said I didn't disagree with him?
Oct 31, 2012 11:10pm
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Footwedge

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Nov 1, 2012 1:31 AM
wildcats20;1308821 wrote:Shit happens. It's the first game with half a new roster. I think I'll save my judgments til later on.
Yeah shit happens. The Lakers rebounded strongly tonight against a team that didn't sniff the playoffs last year with an impressive double digit blowout loss.

Lakers....now 0-10 for the year. I'll take any action that the Lakers are a lottery pick team this year. PM me if interested.
Nov 1, 2012 1:31am
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Footwedge

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Nov 1, 2012 1:36 AM
lhslep134;1308955 wrote:Anyone who thinks Nash is completely washed up doesn't watch the NBA. Sorry, it's that simple.

Nash was top 5 last year among point guards in wins added, 5th in value added, 1st in true shooting %, and 7th in PER. He almost led one of the worst teams in the conference to the brink of the playoffs in the West and was the only reason they were relevant.

My brain is scrambling to comprehend that garbage uttered a few posts above.

Mods, infract me if you must but FOOTWEDGE YOU ARE SO IGNORANT
I watched him plenty in the preseason...and on TV last night. The man is washed up...and is the worst point guard in the league when you include defense as part of the package. He can't move at all. very painful to watch.

Now...you want a little action on the Lake Show being a lottery team? PM me.
Nov 1, 2012 1:36am
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Nov 1, 2012 2:18 AM
Lakers suck. Looked pitiful again tonight
Nov 1, 2012 2:18am
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Nov 1, 2012 4:00 AM
Rotinaj;1309627 wrote:I didn't say he wasn't a top 25 player. I just asked the question.
Completely fair, although I feel it's just as fair to infer that your question meant you didn't feel he was a top 25 player. BUT, you did ask it as a question, and it's a legit question.

I think it's much more clear he's a max player than top 25 (though obviously I feel he's well within top 25). Hibbert and Gordon, IMO won't be top 25 players and they have max deals. As someone said earlier (or maybe on the Harden thread) a max deal is different from someone being a max player. Whoever said Lebron is worth more than the max is 100% right, I read an article that said his actual monetary worth was somewhere around 30+ million a year, or some figure way above whatever figure his max salary was.
Nov 1, 2012 4:00am
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Nov 1, 2012 4:04 AM
Footwedge;1309661 wrote: The man is washed up...and is the worst point guard in the league when you include defense as part of the package.
I KNOW that you know what you're saying. And if I read you correctly, you're saying it in a serious yet jestful way. But did you watch him play at all last year? I got stuck watching every one of his games on FSArizona, and he was f*cking awesome. I don't see a dropoff, especially with someone like him, that would drop him from borderline MVP candidate to total scrub.
Nov 1, 2012 4:04am
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Nov 1, 2012 8:28 AM
Footwedge;1309661 wrote:I watched him plenty in the preseason...and on TV last night. The man is washed up...and is the worst point guard in the league when you include defense as part of the package. He can't move at all. very painful to watch.

Now...you want a little action on the Lake Show being a lottery team? PM me.
Jesus you are idiotic. Footwedge when was the last time one of your ridiculous predictions/bets came true? You're literally never right. I would PM you on that bet, but you'd probably want 20-1 odds. SMH at you.
Nov 1, 2012 8:28am
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Nov 1, 2012 8:43 AM
SportsAndLady;1309743 wrote:Jesus you are idiotic. Footwedge when was the last time one of your ridiculous predictions/bets came true? You're literally never right. I would PM you on that bet, but you'd probably want 20-1 odds. SMH at you.
Yep, he seems to be quite the dumbshit. Lakers will still be a top 4 seed.
Nov 1, 2012 8:43am
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Nov 1, 2012 8:58 AM
Rotinaj;1309750 wrote:Yep, he seems to be quite the dumbshit. Lakers will still be a top 4 seed.
Kobe Bryant, Dwight Howard, Steve Nash....bottom 10 team..lolz
Nov 1, 2012 8:58am
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Nov 1, 2012 12:07 PM
From ESPN regarding Harden's statline
Only three other players in the past 25 years have hit those numbers in a single game:Michael Jordan, Larry Bird and Dwyane Wade. And here was Harden doing it just four days after being traded to Houston.
Nov 1, 2012 12:07pm
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Nov 1, 2012 12:15 PM
lhslep134;1309913 wrote:From ESPN regarding Harden's statline

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Not really that impressive. Such a vague stat line.
Nov 1, 2012 12:15pm
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Nov 1, 2012 12:17 PM
lhslep134;1309913 wrote:From ESPN regarding Harden's statline

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got to love the statlines that are essentially meaningless that are twisted to make them look significant. He has a double double, but he also had 4 steals and a block.. So this was one of the greatest games played by a player in all time!
Nov 1, 2012 12:17pm
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Nov 1, 2012 12:20 PM
Pick6;1309921 wrote:got to love the statlines that are essentially meaningless that are twisted to make them look significant. He has a double double, but he also had 4 steals and a block.. So this was one of the greatest games played by a player in all time!
Yeah especially being the only "good" player on the Rockets. He's going to be a chucker for the next 5 years.
Nov 1, 2012 12:20pm
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Nov 1, 2012 12:34 PM
sleeper;1309918 wrote:Not really that impressive. Such a vague stat line.
Pick6;1309921 wrote:got to love the statlines that are essentially meaningless that are twisted to make them look significant. He has a double double, but he also had 4 steals and a block.. So this was one of the greatest games played by a player in all time!
Truth.
Nov 1, 2012 12:34pm
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Nov 1, 2012 12:36 PM
It was definitely a great night. But also definitely not one of the greatest of all time.
Nov 1, 2012 12:36pm
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Nov 1, 2012 1:12 PM
Lakers still have a ton of time to gel and improve. They looked much better offensively last night but were awful on the defensive end. That's why I still think OKC will beat them, how can they match up with the perimeter of OKC? Will be interesting to say the least.
Nov 1, 2012 1:12pm
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Nov 1, 2012 1:26 PM
sleeper;1309918 wrote:Not really that impressive. Such a vague stat line.
As a singular measure? I agree it's worthless. As a measure of his ability, I think it has significant relevance.

Sleeper, you think he's not a top 25 player, go ahead and proffer an argument that isn't merely a Skip Bayless argument (ie a lot of fluff without any actual substance to the argument).
Nov 1, 2012 1:26pm
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Nov 1, 2012 2:20 PM
lhslep134;1309992 wrote:As a singular measure? I agree it's worthless. As a measure of his ability, I think it has significant relevance.

Sleeper, you think he's not a top 25 player, go ahead and proffer an argument that isn't merely a Skip Bayless argument (ie a lot of fluff without any actual substance to the argument).


Top 25 players aren't 6th men off the bench. There's a reason he wasn't a starter on OKC.
Nov 1, 2012 2:20pm
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Nov 1, 2012 2:24 PM
Also, random players have good stat lines at times. Varejao almost had a triple double with 23 rebounds, but no one is sitting here saying Varejao is a top 25 player. Harden had one good game. Look at his career averages: 12.8 ppg, 2.5 apg, 3.4 rpg. That's a top 25 player? LOL
Nov 1, 2012 2:24pm
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Nov 1, 2012 7:56 PM
I can def name 25 players I'd take over James Harden
Nov 1, 2012 7:56pm
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Nov 1, 2012 8:49 PM
sleeper;1310034 wrote:Top 25 players aren't 6th men off the bench. There's a reason he wasn't a starter on OKC.
Thanks for the devoid of substance argument there Skip Bayless
Nov 1, 2012 8:49pm