So, we think we know the Rules . . . ?

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PAIronman

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Dec 2, 2011 9:39 AM
Many interesting topics and opinions throughout this forum. But opinions aside do we really know what the rules are? I often see a lot of opinions on what the rules may be, even if they are readily available (e.g., OHSAA General Sports Regulations and Wrestling specific regulation, for one) on-line, and expressly stated. I'm curious as to interpretations and the reasons that lead to various interpretations, whether or not a written rule is clear or ambiguous. We are all supposed to be governed by them, but why are they not clear and applied uniformly. I'd like to have situations addressed / explained or discussed relating to this topic. To start: 1. Why, contrary to the express rule prohibiting it, are weigh-outs being conducted at some two day tournaments? 2. The Central District Wrestling Coaches Association’s website lists it’s Fall 2011 Minutes and in regards to the Central District’s pre-season All-Star Tournament it advises:
“*** THIS WILL BE YOUR PREVIEW FOR THE TEAM – OHSAA ***

*** NO OTHER PAID PREVIEWS IF YOU HAVE AN ALL–STAR ***”
Is it true that if you have a participating All-Star you cannot have a “Preview” for your team? 3. If asked, "Rules are made to be . . ." - what is your response and why?
Dec 2, 2011 9:39am
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ptrsn

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Dec 2, 2011 10:25 AM
In response to #2-you could just have the rest of the team go to the same type of event and call it a scrimmage instead of a preview.
Dec 2, 2011 10:25am
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Fab1b

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Dec 2, 2011 10:46 AM
State associations can adopt their own rules for each state regarding weigh ins per the NFHS. Example here in FL you weigh in on site each day of a Tourn max 2hrs prior to start of wrestling. In GA they weigh in at school before heading to a match so it will vary State to State.
Dec 2, 2011 10:46am
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nykc

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Dec 2, 2011 11:17 AM
The one issue that has me curious is in Ohio would be: If we sent a wrestler or three to participate in an "All Star" event, does that count as our Team Preview?

In regards to #3: My guess would be rules are made to be ________ *followed, however many times they are broken.
Dec 2, 2011 11:17am
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PAIronman

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Dec 2, 2011 11:17 AM
ptrsn;997705 wrote:In response to #2-you could just have the rest of the
ptrsn;997705 wrote:In response to #2-you could just have the rest of the team go to the same type of event and call it a scrimmage instead of a preview.
You could, but is it within the rules? Clearly there is a distinction between a "scrimmage" and a "preview". Some distinctions are highlighted in the OHSAA
rules:

OSHAA GENERAL SPORTS REGULATIONS 2011-2012, (among others) provide: 21. Interscholastic Scrimmage 21.1) An interscholastic scrimmage is defined as a contest in sports in which the rules of the sport are not followed in all respects. The length of the scrimmage is limited to a maximum of three hours per squad or individual per day for grades 9-12, and two hours per squad or individual per day for grades 7-8. 21.2) A scrimmage may involve any number of teams from various schools. A scrimmage does not count in the won/lost record for any school involved in the scrimmage. 21.3) No admission of money, materials or supplies may be charged for a scrimmage. Voluntary donations of supplies or money may be accepted at a scrimmage but cannot be required for admission. 21.4) This regulation prohibits two or more school teams from practicing together unless it is a scrimmage. 21.5) A scrimmage must be considered the same for all schools involved. 22. Preview 22.1) A preview is an athletic contest played according to the adopted rules for a sport except that one-half the length of a regular season contest is permitted. Previews are permitted only in those sports in which scrimmages are allowed. Refer to the specific sport relative to length of preview and when it may be scheduled. 22.2) A preview may be scheduled and played only during the period of time beginning with the Friday before the season begins and ending with the date of the first regular season contest of the teams involved. A preview does not count in the won/lost record. 22.3) When a preview is scheduled, admission may be charged. 23. Athletic Contest Any type of athletic activity involving participants from a member school and another school, or non-interscholastic team or individuals including organized adults. Such activity is categorized as a game, meet, match, preview, or scrimmage. A practice involving two or more school squads is also an athletic contest. A game, meet or match must follow the rules as written in the game rules adopted by the Board of Directors. Athletic contests may be scheduled and conducted only during the time periods as specified in the individual sport regulations. OSHAA REGULATIONS WRESTLING 2011-2012, (among others), provides: [LEFT][LEFT]C. SPECIFIC REGULATIONS — Grades 9-12[/LEFT]
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[LEFT][LEFT]4) Scrimmages — Maximum of four permitted or three and one preview. In a preview, an individual is limited to three one-minute periods.
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[LEFT][LEFT]1.3) Practice — Practice is instruction given by a school coach to his/her team during the OHSAA-defined wrestling season. Practice sessions which involve wrestlers from other schools are scrimmages.[/LEFT]
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1.5) Previews — A preview may not exceed one half of the regular season contest for any one athlete (three one-minute periods) or team and shall be wrestled according to National Federation Wrestling Rules.

So, can you wrestle a 1-1-1 match - the individual "preview" limitation - in a 3 hour time limit? I'm certain you could, but why would you when you could "scrimmage" - a mutli-team practice with instruction by coaches up to three hours as noted above? Also, per Central District Coaches Association's website - did your participating All-star take away your "team" preview options? Read Wrestling Reg 1.5 without the phrase in parenthesis "1.5) Previews — A preview may not exceed one half of the regular season contest for any one athlete (three one-minute periods) or team and shall be wrestled according to National Federation Wrestling Rules. So did Central District Coaches Association get the statement of the rule correct?
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Dec 2, 2011 11:17am
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PAIronman

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Dec 2, 2011 11:20 AM
I like "followed"!
Dec 2, 2011 11:20am
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falcon81

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Dec 2, 2011 3:05 PM
Lets just stay off "eligibility rules" LOL!!! You won't see any bogus cases in Ohio for a while. LOL. And yes I'am an expert! 20 k in legal fee's later. God Bless America!! Everyone have a great season, i'll stay out of the "rule Debates"! Trust me even the "experts" scratch their heads!
Dec 2, 2011 3:05pm