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NBA Finals: LeBron and the Heat vs. Dirk and the Mavericks

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Jun 11, 2011 11:30 AM
No doubt about it....LeBron has been balls on the offensive end, but I'm a firm believer that if you talk shit, you better be able to back it up. Stevenson can't back anything up and he says nor will he ever be able to. He's a role player and an average one at best.
Jun 11, 2011 11:30am
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Jun 11, 2011 11:31 AM
lhslep134;798606 wrote:Yeah dropping a triple double in a finals game is really a joke. :rolleyes:

And for those saying he scored 2 points in the 4th? What about his 4 assists in the quarter? By my count, that's accounting for 10 points.

Yeah thats why the Heat wanted Lebron to come to Miami, to not score in the 4th quarter and pass the ball to pad his assists totals in the NBA Finals. SMH
Jun 11, 2011 11:31am
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Jun 11, 2011 11:33 AM
Automatik;798615 wrote:No doubt about it....LeBron has been balls on the offensive end, but I'm a firm believer that if you talk shit, you better be able to back it up. Stevenson can't back anything up and he says nor will he ever be able to. He's a role player and an average one at best.

Stevenson might be a joke but he has also spent most of his time on the floor guarding Lebron, who is averaging 10 points below his average.
Jun 11, 2011 11:33am
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Jun 11, 2011 11:37 AM
Skyhook79;798616 wrote:Yeah thats why the Heat wanted Lebron to come to Miami, to not score in the 4th quarter and pass the ball to pad his assists totals in the NBA Finals. SMH

And how is a basket from James any different than an assist in the quarter?? Don't they both count for 2 or 3 points?

Look, something is clearly off with him, but people are completely overreacting here. The Big 3 only had 59 points instead of their usual 70+ and that was the difference in the game. Lebron accounted for at the very least 37 points (17 pts, 10 assists) while Wade accounted for at the very least 39 (23 8 assists). This whole "James disappearing" is much more garbage than substance.
Jun 11, 2011 11:37am
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Jun 11, 2011 11:39 AM
LeBron isn't overrated. That is hilarious. Stevenson is the joke of the pair. He is a decent 3 point shooter and defender but no one to be talking shit to LeBron.
Jun 11, 2011 11:39am
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Jun 11, 2011 11:43 AM
Yeah thats why the Heat wanted Lebron to come to Miami, to not score in the 4th quarter and pass the ball to pad his assists totals in the NBA Finals. SMH

And how is a basket from James any different than an assist in the quarter?? Don't they both count for 2 or 3 points?
Lol. Well said
Jun 11, 2011 11:43am
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Jun 11, 2011 12:12 PM
lhslep134;798619 wrote:And how is a basket from James any different than an assist in the quarter?? Don't they both count for 2 or 3 points?

Look, something is clearly off with him, but people are completely overreacting here. The Big 3 only had 59 points instead of their usual 70+ and that was the difference in the game. Lebron accounted for at the very least 37 points (17 pts, 10 assists) while Wade accounted for at the very least 39 (23 8 assists). This whole "James disappearing" is much more garbage than substance.
The Big 3 had only 59 points because Lebron didn't score and the Big 3 had 64 pts in Game 4 when Lebron scored 8 why is that so hard to understand Lebron needs to score?
Lebron also has 18 turnovers in the series compared to 35 assists (terrible ratio) so if your going to give him points for assists then you have to take away points forall his turnovers.
Jun 11, 2011 12:12pm
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Jun 11, 2011 12:15 PM
Good point on the turnover to assist ratio. Bottom line is.....LeBron need to get his or the Heat are fucked. I'm curious to see how he responds.
Jun 11, 2011 12:15pm
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Jun 11, 2011 12:17 PM
Skyhook79;798630 wrote:The Big 3 had only 59 points because Lebron didn't score and the Big 3 had 64 pts in Game 4 when Lebron scored 8 why is that so hard to understand Lebron needs to score?
Lebron also has 18 turnovers in the series compared to 35 assists (terrible ratio) so if your going to give him points for assists then you have to take away points forall his turnovers.


LOL 2 to 1 is a terrible ratio? Kobe's assist to turnover ratio this postseason: 3.3:3.1 or barely better than 1 to 1. STFU.
Jun 11, 2011 12:17pm
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Jun 11, 2011 12:23 PM
Skyhook79;798630 wrote:The Big 3 had only 59 points because Lebron didn't score and the Big 3 had 64 pts in Game 4 when Lebron scored 8 why is that so hard to understand Lebron needs to score?
Lebron also has 18 turnovers in the series compared to 35 assists (terrible ratio) so if your going to give him points for assists then you have to take away points forall his turnovers.

Look I'm not saying Lebron is having a good series. I'm saying it's not anywhere as bad as everyone is making it out to be.

I thought you Skyhook, of all people, would be one that doesn't just go by the statsheet.

Oh and I'm still waiting on an answer on how a Lebron 4th quarter assist counts any differently than a Lebron 4th quarter basket.
Jun 11, 2011 12:23pm
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Jun 11, 2011 12:30 PM
karen lotz;798635 wrote:LOL 2 to 1 is a terrible ratio? Kobe's assist to turnover ratio this postseason: 3.3:3.1 or barely better than 1 to 1. STFU.

Not terrible.....but I'd say its nothing to write home about when you factor in his shooting percentage.
Jun 11, 2011 12:30pm
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Jun 11, 2011 12:31 PM
robj55;797922 wrote:i can't believe you guys joke and condone stuff like this, sad. What if someone was fucking your wife, different story.

he doesnt have a wife
Jun 11, 2011 12:31pm
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Jun 11, 2011 12:33 PM
Automatik;798649 wrote:Not terrible.....but I'd say its nothing to write home about when you factor in his shooting percentage.


Oh absolutely, he hasn't played well in the Finals, but to say a 2:1 ratio is terrible is stupid.
Jun 11, 2011 12:33pm
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Jun 11, 2011 12:37 PM
karen lotz;798635 wrote:LOL 2 to 1 is a terrible ratio? Kobe's assist to turnover ratio this postseason: 3.3:3.1 or barely better than 1 to 1. STFU.

For someone who said "don't bring the lakers in this conversation they are out of the Playoffs" You seem to do it all the time.
What does Kobe's ratio this post season have to do with the current conversation?????????????
Jun 11, 2011 12:37pm
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Jun 11, 2011 12:40 PM
Skyhook79;798659 wrote:For someone who said "don't bring the lakers in this conversation they are out of the Playoffs" You seem to do it all the time.
What does Kobe's ratio this post season have to do with the current conversation?????????????


Just giving a representation of what a terrible assist to turnover ratio is. Figured Kobe's would make you realize what a stupid comment yours was.
Jun 11, 2011 12:40pm
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Jun 11, 2011 12:42 PM
lhslep134;798643 wrote:Look I'm not saying Lebron is having a good series. I'm saying it's not anywhere as bad as everyone is making it out to be.

I thought you Skyhook, of all people, would be one that doesn't just go by the statsheet.

Oh and I'm still waiting on an answer on how a Lebron 4th quarter assist counts any differently than a Lebron 4th quarter basket.

Its not just about the stat sheet but if you can honestly say that Lebron has done his part this series including the most important quarter of this series ,the 4th, then I'll stop talking about it.

Here is something else to ponder. During the 2-5 game series against Boston and Chicago, Lebron scored 129 points and 33 assists in one and had 140 points and 18 assists in the other and the Heat won both series rather easily.
Thru 5 games with the Mavs Lebron has 86 points and 35 assists and the Heat are down 2-3 and struggling in just about all 5 4th quarters. I would say that his scoring is way more important to the Heat's success then him being a passer. Both Boston and Chicago are much better teams defensively than Dallas.
Jun 11, 2011 12:42pm
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Jun 11, 2011 12:43 PM
lhs, you are late to the party. how do you explain his terrible 4th quarter shooting percentage, something like 25% I believe for the series. Or why he is being passive and not attacking the basket? Ok, so he had 10 assists..somebody said his average for the season is like 7-8. The dude touches the ball damn near every possession, obviously you are going to get assists. Not to mention he is playing 45 minutes a game. His other stats..assists, rebounds, steals, blocks, turnovers are all around his season average. If assists meant everything you wouldnt have been dogging Rondo so bad during the Boston series..dude is one of the leaders in APG in the league. You said it yourself, Rondo cost Boston the series because he wasn't a scoring threat. Well guess what, Lebron isnt the best scoring threat standing there spotting up or shooting some fade away with a hand in his face. He is the best scoring threat driving to the bucket and finishing or getting fouled. Fact is the dude is being passive, and average 10 or so points less than his season average this series and probably more than that under his playoff average. Last series people were ready to crown him better than MJ...where is that now?

Lebron wasn't brought here to get 10 assists and 17 points a game or single digit scoring games in the finals lol...Max contract players, and players regarded as one of, if not the best player in the league don't do that.
Jun 11, 2011 12:43pm
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Jun 11, 2011 12:44 PM
karen lotz;798652 wrote:Oh absolutely, he hasn't played well in the Finals, but to say a 2:1 ratio is terrible is stupid.

and yea.. a 2-1 ratio isnt good.
Jun 11, 2011 12:44pm
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Jun 11, 2011 12:45 PM
karen lotz;798663 wrote:Just giving a representation of what a terrible assist to turnover ratio is. Figured Kobe's would make you realize what a stupid comment yours was.
versus giving what a good turnover ratio is:

The top point guards based on assist to turnover ratio is as follows:
1. Chris Paul 4.4
2. Jose Calderon 4.1
3. Jason Kidd 3.6
4. Rajon Rondo 3.3
5. Steve Nash 3.2


Just admit your a troll and hypocrite.
Jun 11, 2011 12:45pm
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Jun 11, 2011 1:02 PM
Skyhook79;798672 wrote:versus giving what a good turnover ratio is:

The top point guards based on assist to turnover ratio is as follows:
1. Chris Paul 4.4
2. Jose Calderon 4.1
3. Jason Kidd 3.6
4. Rajon Rondo 3.3
5. Steve Nash 3.2


Just admit your a troll and hypocrite.

I always thought 3-1 turnover ratio is good....not sure if that applies to todays nba.

I think you can analyze stats till you are blue in the face. Lebrons finals just dont pass the "eye test".
Jun 11, 2011 1:02pm
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Jun 11, 2011 1:08 PM
Pick6;798671 wrote:and yea.. a 2-1 ratio isnt good.


Link to where I said it was good? Also, what is LeBron's career ratio? I've already said he hasn't had a good Finals.
Jun 11, 2011 1:08pm
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Jun 11, 2011 1:09 PM
Skyhook79;798672 wrote:versus giving what a good turnover ratio is:

The top point guards based on assist to turnover ratio is as follows:
1. Chris Paul 4.4
2. Jose Calderon 4.1
3. Jason Kidd 3.6
4. Rajon Rondo 3.3
5. Steve Nash 3.2


Just admit your a troll and hypocrite.


Please explain where I said it was a good ratio and that LeBron was having a great Finals. Then you can call me a hypocrite and troll.
Jun 11, 2011 1:09pm
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Jun 11, 2011 1:11 PM
karen lotz;798690 wrote:Link to where I said it was good? Also, what is LeBron's career ratio? I've already said he hasn't had a good Finals.

I'd honestly guess his career ratio isnt much better.
Jun 11, 2011 1:11pm
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Jun 11, 2011 1:16 PM
for the 10-11 season, Lebron's ratio is 1.95. The only starting point guard in the league with a worse ratio is Stephen Curry, at 1.91..so yes, I would say its bad.
Jun 11, 2011 1:16pm
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Jun 11, 2011 1:18 PM
Pick6;798702 wrote:for the 10-11 season, Lebron's ratio is 1.95. The only starting point guard in the league with a worse ratio is Stephen Curry, at 1.91..so yes, I would say its bad.


Not bad for a small forward.
Jun 11, 2011 1:18pm