I Wear Pants;698286 wrote:People usually say that it sucks that they're laid off or take a pay cut though. They don't act like it's some great injustice because they understand the reality of the situation.

ernest_t_bass;698291 wrote:I've been discussing it with some people. I think there will be different options. They can't "mandate" it, but they can say, "If you want to be a part of STRS, you need to pay 28%. If you can't do that, here is your money."

I think that public workers may also have the option to pay into SS, but the BOE would have to pick up their 7.whatever% as well. It's all in its infant stages, so I am still very uncertain.

ernest_t_bass;698292 wrote:.... I get no sympathy for being scared?

Con_Alma;698290 wrote:Why would sympathy from others be important to me if I got laid off from my job.

Others views or opinions of my personal situation has no bearing on my state of being at all currently. Can you help me understand why I should place importance on other's view of me being laid off?

ernest_t_bass;698295 wrote:Would you expect someone to say to you, in the event of taking a pay cut or being laid off, "YOU DESERVE IT!"

Con_Alma;698294 wrote:You may or may not. Why does that matter at all?

Con_Alma;698302 wrote:As honest as I can possible be I would have no interest whatsoever what someone else said. I has no impact on my situation.

ernest_t_bass;698304 wrote:Can you and I agree to disagree, then?

Con_Alma;698307 wrote:I''m not sure what we would be disagreeing on. ???

Why would you be asking for sympathy? You may not agree with others who offer disdain but to scold others for not offering sympathy is perplexing to me...so I ask why are you seeking it?

ernest_t_bass;698292 wrote:Did you see where I said that I UNDERSTAND the reality of the situation? I'm just scared... real scared. I get no sympathy for being scared?

ernest_t_bass;698309 wrote:Because I prefer sympathy... or hell, even empathy, towards the situation I am going through over the disdain. Duh.

What would you prefer... and handshake and a hug, or a kick to the nuts?

ernest_t_bass;698241 wrote:The bottom line to all of this (in my eyes) and the most disheartening thing is this; the insensitivity from people is extremely overwhelming, and somewhat hypocritical.

There ARE teachers that agree with many portions of this bill. There ARE teachers that agree that poor teachers should be eliminated, and easier. There ARE teachers that are sick of big union dues and union rhetoric. There ARE teachers out there are sympathetic to many of the people in our own communities who have lost there jobs. Sympathy is the last thing we are receiving.

I understand (you need to read that again, and read it out loud... I UNDERSTAND) that the budget needs to be balanced, that education has flaws, etc. Something needs to be done. Hell, maybe this whole SB5 thing needs to be done... I don't know, I'm not an expert on budget balancing, etc.

The part that is overwhelmingly saddening is to see our own people lacking sympathy to the fact that we will be taking huge hits coming home in our paychecks. YES, it is how the market works. YES, when the money is not there, something needs to be done.

If ANY of you said that you could possibly lose $500/month of take home pay, I CANNOT begin to imagine coming on here and saying any of these things:

"It's about time!"
"Sucks to be you, but that's the free market!"
"Welcome to the real world!"
"Suck it up and live with it!"
"You've had it coming to you!"

Can you imagine, for one second, going to a factory that is closing down and saying those very same things to people losing their jobs? Regardless of SB5, teachers, unions, public workers, etc. Regardless of the people being affected by this, can you not just step outside of your angry attitude and form just the slightest bit of sympathy for employees (over the entire state, mind you) that will be taking huge hits. Can you treat us measly public workers as real human beings, breathing the same air as those factory workers?

I'm for a lot of the things in this bill, I truly am. Here is what scares me:

Insurance go from 10% to 20% - Extra $110 per month for me
Pension go from 10% to possible 28% - Extra $550-600 per month for me.

I could lose up to $700 per month of take home pay (worst case scenario), and many other employees around the state of Ohio could see similar cuts, some more, some less. Our families will struggle, that's an understatement. And you have the audacity to just say those things?

Again, I CANNOT even imagine, one bit, going to a closing business and saying those things. The realities of this bill are harsh enough. Why do we need our fellow citizens tearing us down even more? I am human too.

You're automatically assuming the worst possible scenario

Prescott;698331 wrote:.
This.....The American people will rebel in your behalf if you are treated unfairly.

wkfan;698201 wrote:Which is your choice.......until recently, a teacher was required to obtain a Master's degree as a stipulation to retain their license....which my wife did.....at our expense.

You have far more faith in the majority of the people of this state and country regarding this than I do.

wkfan;698332 wrote:You have far more faith in the majority of the people of this state and country regarding this than I do....just see many of the posts in this thread.

derek bomar;698333 wrote:I know it's my choice. His post sounded to me like he was insinuating teachers work harder than the private sector (going to school, taking classes, etc...).

Con_Alma;698321 wrote:I am not suggesting you take my position I am asking why you choose yours. Why does it matter if someone is sympathetic to you or not? It has no impact whatsoever from what I can discern.

I Wear Pants;698335 wrote:Most of the posts you're talking about are only aggressive in their disdain for teachers because from the beginning of this most of them have been jumping to conclusions and assuming the absolute worst of what this bill could do.

I Wear Pants;698335 wrote:Most of the posts you're talking about are only aggressive in their disdain for teachers because from the beginning of this most of them have been jumping to conclusions and assuming the absolute worst of what this bill could do.