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Aug 5, 2010 9:20 PM
~U~;443028 wrote:So funny to hear you repukes and tea baggers wine. Where were you when Bush was getting us into wars for no reason (Iraq). Where where you when the economy crashed under Bush? Obama has done a okay job to this point, lets face it he was given a mess to fix under the republicans/Bush. The fact he has started to deal with health care gives him my vote. Also not sacrificing our troops for any wars of 'just cause' or under Bush it was "Just Because".

1. Repukes and teabaggers... Are you still in high school or something?
2. Nobody has started anything with reforming health insurance. Instead of fixing what we've got, they just made something else to destroy and be irresponsible with.
4. Where we're at with this economy is the fault of the "good" folks of DC. Period. Cherry picking pet projects, who to go after, who to leave alone, etc., is what got us into this mess. And there's a whole lot of people to point at in DC, republicans AND democrats.

The only thought-out thing you said was that basically these wars are expensive and that I agree with.
Aug 5, 2010 9:20pm
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Aug 5, 2010 9:23 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;443044 wrote:In case you haven't noticed U, we're still in Iraq and Afghanistan.
This.

I won't give Obama credit in the war department until we're out of both countries.
Aug 5, 2010 9:23pm
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Aug 5, 2010 9:28 PM
I Wear Pants;442959 wrote:Well, we failed to pass a bill covering 9/11 Responders for health issues incurred doing their heroic acts.

Good thing the Republicans voted no to that stupid spending bill right?

How is it the Republicans can stop any bill given the numbers the Democrats now have? And was there an offset for this spending as Obama said there had to be for every expense (although he lied and exempts just about anything he wants)?

EDIT: Just looked it up. The Democrats could have passed this w/o the Republicans, but it would have meant voting on amendments that they'd have to defend in November. So, they played games and went to a procedure requiring a 2/3 vote for passage and not a simple majority. It was Democrats playing games that killed this bill -- not the Republicans.
Aug 5, 2010 9:28pm
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Aug 5, 2010 9:41 PM
I am continually amazed at the ignorance of mathematics, mostly by the left/socialist/liberal members of this forum. The Republicans can't stop any legislation. They are the minority in the House and Senate. It's not even close in terms of numbers. Don't believe me? Look it up. Pretty easy to find if you know how to "Google it"....find it yet?

OK now. See the vast majorities of Democrats vs. Republicans? Tell us....how do Republicans stop anything? Come on....give us a good explanation. I'd love to know how. I suppose I could argue for bipartisanship, but what's the point? It just leads to watered-down socialist legislation.
Aug 5, 2010 9:41pm
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Aug 5, 2010 9:58 PM
Writerbuckeye;443088 wrote:How is it the Republicans can stop any bill given the numbers the Democrats now have? And was there an offset for this spending as Obama said there had to be for every expense (although he lied and exempts just about anything he wants)?

EDIT: Just looked it up. The Democrats could have passed this w/o the Republicans, but it would have meant voting on amendments that they'd have to defend in November. So, they played games and went to a procedure requiring a 2/3 vote for passage and not a simple majority. It was Democrats playing games that killed this bill -- not the Republicans.
It was pathetic on both sides. You are correct about that.
Aug 5, 2010 9:58pm
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Aug 5, 2010 10:06 PM
BGFalcons82;443117 wrote:I am continually amazed at the ignorance of mathematics, mostly by the left/socialist/liberal members of this forum. The Republicans can't stop any legislation. They are the minority in the House and Senate. It's not even close in terms of numbers. Don't believe me? Look it up. Pretty easy to find if you know how to "Google it"....find it yet?

OK now. See the vast majorities of Democrats vs. Republicans? Tell us....how do Republicans stop anything? Come on....give us a good explanation. I'd love to know how. I suppose I could argue for bipartisanship, but what's the point? It just leads to watered-down socialist legislation.

Senate filibuster
Aug 5, 2010 10:06pm
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Aug 5, 2010 10:42 PM
isadore;443149 wrote:Senate filibuster
Reconciliation.
Aug 5, 2010 10:42pm
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Aug 5, 2010 11:16 PM
I Wear Pants;443138 wrote:It was pathetic on both sides. You are correct about that.

Wrong. The Republicans wanted to have an opportunity to add amendments to the bill. The Democrats didn't want to have to go on the record regarding some of those amendments before the elections -- so they used a procedure that requires the 2/3 vote and doesn't allow for amendments.

Who was playing politics here? Who was avoiding their responsibility to go on the record where issues related to this legislation were concerned? It was only one party that did this, and that was the party in charge.

You have a complaint about the bill not passing...point your finger at the hag who heads the House.
Aug 5, 2010 11:16pm
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Aug 6, 2010 12:11 AM
What amendments did they want?
Aug 6, 2010 12:11am
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Aug 6, 2010 8:16 AM
~U~;443028 wrote:So funny to hear you repukes and tea baggers wine. Where were you when Bush was getting us into wars for no reason (Iraq). Where where you when the economy crashed under Bush? Obama has done a okay job to this point, lets face it he was given a mess to fix under the republicans/Bush. The fact he has started to deal with health care gives him my vote. Also not sacrificing our troops for any wars of 'just cause' or under Bush it was "Just Because".

1. Are you a moron? You know we are still in those wars one of which Obama "promised" to be out of inside of a year (not done) and the other he has sent more troops too. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your biased opinion.
2. The economy crashed due to both sides of the isle doing a bunch of stupid things. The democrats just had to pass laws that required banks to get undeserving people (aka couldn't afford it) into houses, the only way to do this was bubble/ARM loans. This help cause the housing crash which caused the market crash. You also do realize that for the first 6 years of Bush II the economy was good, it was the last 18 months or so that it started to go south? I wonder what changed in the last 2 years? Oh yeah, the democrats took over Congress.

3. Give me a break, Obama has done "ok" so far with trying to fix "Bush's mess"? He has made Bush's stupid deficits look like pennies on the dollar. The unemployment rate was 7% when Bush left office, it is 10% now.

Can you state anything you didn't hear from Olberman or Maddow off MSNBC? Because everything you said sounds just like their stupid talking points, if you want to play that game I can come on here and spew the BS that Rush Limbaugh spews too.
Aug 6, 2010 8:16am
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Aug 6, 2010 10:47 AM
U6 unemployment now at 16.8% ............ same as a year ago.

The attack on private enterprise (the job creators) by the radical left continues.

Change we can believe in ........................................
Aug 6, 2010 10:47am
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Aug 6, 2010 1:04 PM
I Wear Pants;443309 wrote:What amendments did they want?

I didn't see it in the article, but it really doesn't matter, does it?

The point is: the changed the procedure to AVOID having to go on the record and vote on amendments (according to the article linked). Obviously, there were aspects of this they felt would make them politically liable.

Regardless. the Democrats could have easily passed this if they hadn't played games to try and keep the process as closed and secretive as possible by not allowing amendments and debate on them.
Aug 6, 2010 1:04pm
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Aug 6, 2010 1:10 PM
It's a pretty commonly used procedure.

However, I think both the Democrats and Republicans should just bite the bullet and go with a majority vote now that this failed.

Seriously, if the Dems aren't willing to do that then the Republicans definitely should. Because what, are the Democrats going to vote no on a bill that they just lambasted the Republicans for voting no on? Perfect plan for the Republicans imo. I just don't think they'll do it because there is something fundamentally wrong with most of them. The Democrats use stupid bullshit excuses instead of just voting yes or no on amendments because it's and election year while the Republicans won't vote on anything that the Democrats like no matter if it seems like a no brainer. They're all ridiculous.
Aug 6, 2010 1:10pm
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Aug 6, 2010 1:15 PM
You conveniently ignore the point. Why do this in the first place if you're serious about passing the bill? You have overwhelming numbers. Just do a straight up and down vote and be done with it.

The Democrats felt it necessary to keep some parts of this quiet or they wouldn't have avoided the process of amendments and the testimony that would have gone with it.
Aug 6, 2010 1:15pm
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Aug 6, 2010 1:45 PM
They didn't want to vote on amendments because it's an election year and things could get tricky. Either way it's stupid, you're right that the Democrats should have just manned up and voted anyway to pass this.

What I don't understand is why there is no great outrage that this thing didn't get passed. It's to give health coverage to 9/11 heroes for illnesses related to that horrific day. That we can't get both sides to agree on something like this is disgusting.

I hope the Republicans pick up the ball here and just try to get it passed with a majority vote but they won't try. Stupidity and bullshit on the Democrats side and cowardice and partisan hackery on the Republicans side.
Aug 6, 2010 1:45pm
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Aug 6, 2010 4:06 PM
The truth of the matter is that the dem.politicians in DC were downright scared to do what W.B. and Pants mentioned in their posts, especially after the Healthcare Insurance "Reform" bill. They really don't want to continue to piss people off right now at all.
Aug 6, 2010 4:06pm
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Aug 6, 2010 4:16 PM
CenterBHSFan;443967 wrote:The truth of the matter is that the dem.politicians in DC were downright scared to do what W.B. and Pants mentioned in their posts, especially after the Healthcare Insurance "Reform" bill. They really don't want to continue to piss people off right now at all.

I'll agree with that.

Also, pay attention to campaign ads for Democrats leading into November, and see what they say and don't say. I guarantee you'll hear lots of "Vote for me, because Bush sucks" and "Vote for me, because the Republicans tanked the economy in '07", not "Vote for me because of the legislation I've supported and/or voted for the past two years". Their record the past two years is awful and they know it, so they're hopping on the time machine and pretending it's 2006 or 2008.
Aug 6, 2010 4:16pm
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Aug 6, 2010 4:42 PM
I've been getting all kinds of e-letters from Charlie Wilson lately. Now he's focusing on bringing jobs to the Valley and bragging how he's been having meetings with unions and whatnot. The thing about Charlie Wilson is that he doesn't want to meet or talk with people who don't like his ideas. He only panders to the people he knows will vote for him. And he'll only have town hall meetings via phone. (lol, he's such a coward)
Now to me that doesn't make sense. Why only pander to the groups that you already know that you have their vote? Seem to me that the smart thing to do would be to try and court the opposition; try to find the common ground, explain to them why you do what you do and why you think it will benefit them. Hey, if you want to become/stay a politician, you've got to put yourself out to your public. Even the ones who think you're full of horseshit. Period.

Heck, even President Obama sat down and talked with Cheron.... oh wait, they were in agreement, my bad (haha)
Aug 6, 2010 4:42pm
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Aug 7, 2010 1:02 AM
CenterBHSFan;444010 wrote:I've been getting all kinds of e-letters from Charlie Wilson lately. Now he's focusing on bringing jobs to the Valley and bragging how he's been having meetings with unions and whatnot. The thing about Charlie Wilson is that he doesn't want to meet or talk with people who don't like his ideas. He only panders to the people he knows will vote for him. And he'll only have town hall meetings via phone. (lol, he's such a coward)

He has been a coward (and quite useless) most definitely, but after seeing what most of the town hall meetings have become (a bunch of retards in tin foil hats cutting one another off and screaming to the point of complete disorder), can you really blame him? They accomplish nothing because it's just a shouting match between crowd members.
Aug 7, 2010 1:02am
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Aug 7, 2010 8:05 AM
jhay78;443979 wrote:I guarantee you'll hear lots of "Vote for me, because Bush sucks" and "Vote for me, because the Republicans tanked the economy in '07", not "Vote for me because of the legislation I've supported and/or voted for the past two years". Their record the past two years is awful and they know it, so they're hopping on the time machine and pretending it's 2006 or 2008.

No question about it. The closer we inch to November, we'll see and hear more and more ads from Dems in the hot seat playing the "blame Bush" card. Those ads will become more and more shrill as time goes on because these clowns have NOTHING of consequence to hang their hats on. Hell they can't even lay claim to ObamaKare because they know it's a sham as does the electorate.

ObamaKare, porkulus spending, the economy, etc. The Dems own it all.

Normally I loathe the political ad season but I'm looking forward to this one. I can use a good laugh.
Aug 7, 2010 8:05am
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Aug 7, 2010 8:49 AM
ts1227;444333 wrote:He has been a coward (and quite useless) most definitely, but after seeing what most of the town hall meetings have become (a bunch of retards in tin foil hats cutting one another off and screaming to the point of complete disorder), can you really blame him? They accomplish nothing because it's just a shouting match between crowd members.
My answer to that would be yes and no. Heck, there's lots of things in this world that we would rather not have to do, and yes even embarrassing moments, but some things are important enough to bear. Personally, I would be very weary of having a townhall meeting also. But I would buck up and bear it. Especially if there was the possiblity of (assuming I'm a politician, of course) gaining more votes because I had the backbone and the gumption to face my public, even when I didn't like the prospects. Heck, even comedians have to bomb every now and then.
And, most importantly, as I already stated:

Now to me that doesn't make sense. Why only pander to the groups that you already know that you have their vote? Seem to me that the smart thing to do would be to try and court the opposition; try to find the common ground, explain to them why you do what you do and why you think it will benefit them. Hey, if you want to become/stay a politician, you've got to put yourself out to your public. Even the ones who think you're full of horseshit. Period.

Like it or not, this is the way the land lays in politics right now. Charlie Wilson has to be at least a little contrite knowing that women Reps have had the fortitude to do it and not him. It's all over there in youtube land. Anybody can see it.
But no, he'll sit in some office talking on a phone to a pre-selected audience with his hands over his nuts.

No, Charlie Wilson's problem right now is that he's a little too smug with his job and he's not trying to reach out to people who are likely to will not vote for him. He only wants to cater to his voters that are already on board with his wagon.
I would love to see him gone, but like I've said before, there's just enough old-timers and habitual union suckers in the Ohio Valley left to keep him in his position.

I'm sorry I ever voted for him.
Aug 7, 2010 8:49am
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Aug 7, 2010 10:20 AM
Vote the Dems out now!!. Get the Repubs back in. Everything will be wonderful again. Repeat the cycle. Wash, rinse, dry...repeat.

Center...just a question here. How exactly will a Republican increase jobs in SE Ohio?
Aug 7, 2010 10:20am
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Aug 7, 2010 11:18 AM
Footwedge;444458 wrote:Vote the Dems out now!!. Get the Repubs back in. Everything will be wonderful again. Repeat the cycle. Wash, rinse, dry...repeat.
Everything won't be wonderful again but giving Repubs some political power to instill gridlock in Washington once again will be far, far preferable to the asinine Obama-Pelosi-Reid Porkulus Agenda.
Footwedge;444458 wrote:Center...just a question here. How exactly will a Republican increase jobs in SE Ohio?
How exactly have the Dems increased jobs in SE Ohio?
Aug 7, 2010 11:18am
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Aug 7, 2010 12:46 PM
Footwedge;444458 wrote:Vote the Dems out now!!. Get the Repubs back in. Everything will be wonderful again. Repeat the cycle. Wash, rinse, dry...repeat.

Center...just a question here. How exactly will a Republican increase jobs in SE Ohio?


1. I never said or implied that I want to vote out a democrat in order to put a republican in.

2. I don't know if a republican can do better/worse with the current times.

3. What I mean and have said for awhile now is this:

- The democrats can do better. Those voters who are democrats could and should expect and demand better than what we've got currently.
- Is this the best our democrat party political choices can do?
- Really?
- If somebody has common sense and backbone and can do the right thing (not necessarily for any party affiliation) I don't give a damn if that person is democrat, republican, libertarian, constitutionalist, or somebody that worships radishes.
- I have never pledged allegiance to the democrat party, even though it might sound contradictory to say that I'm a habitual democrat. That's what I call myself, but that doesn't mean I won't vote across party lines. Because I have, do and will in a heartbeat.
- Being critical of the democrat party doesn't make me an automatic republican. Period.
Aug 7, 2010 12:46pm
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Aug 7, 2010 3:55 PM
I agree with Gerald Celente. I don't think partisanship has much to do with it.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/celente/celente44.1.html
Aug 7, 2010 3:55pm