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Jun 22, 2010 3:44 PM
thedynasty1998;397437 wrote: BTW, the only thing Hickson has proven, is that he has some potential.

Hickson has proven that he can play in the NBA. Something that you can't say about whoever they could potentially pick at #18. And like you said Hickson has potential. So where is the appeal for the Cavs.

But like jpake says, it is very easy to trade/buy into the first round in the NBA. It won't cost Cleveland Hickson
Jun 22, 2010 3:44pm
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Jun 22, 2010 3:45 PM
Just read an article on Yahoo that Portland is "showing strong interest" in Mo Williams. Not sure what the Cavs would be looking for from them in return though.
Jun 22, 2010 3:45pm
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Jun 22, 2010 3:45 PM
thedynasty1998;397435 wrote:Where are you getting $3 million from? They paid $2 million to switch picks to move up 10 spots. The Cavs don't have a pick, let alone a 1st rounder. If the only thing they can offer is money, I would imagine it's going to cost around $10 million. Gilbert is rich, but he's not stupid.

i thought you could only spend three million to "buy" a pick regardless of what round it is in...could be wrong tho
Jun 22, 2010 3:45pm
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Jun 22, 2010 3:45 PM
Yeah. it would probably cost between $1.5- $3 million to get into the first round.
Jun 22, 2010 3:45pm
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Jun 22, 2010 3:46 PM
Cleveland can offer Miami cap relief. Miami gets rid of their 1.2M hold on the draft pick. If Jones and West were traded, they would both be cut, but Miami would make out by about 1.36M because Jones would get that much more than West. Miami would really make out if they were to trade Cook for Powe. Cap relief is huge for Miami. However, Miami would give away stuff for nothing just to get the cap space. I have to laugh at all the Beasley trades for a future protected 2nd rounder. Maybe I'm wrong, I just thought a 21yr old 16/6 guy was worth more, even if he's a bit of a headcase.
Jun 22, 2010 3:46pm
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Jun 22, 2010 3:47 PM
If the Heat want more for the 18th pick its pretty simple.......go after a later pick. I think people sometimes over value these draft picks. The 5th pick in the draft was traded away for Mike Miller and Randy Foye a few years ago(both those guys are career 10pts a night guys) The 8th pick was traded for Shane Battier a year after the guy averaged 10pts and 5 boards a game. NBA draft picks arent NFL picks. I'm not saying that the Cavs WILL but into the 1st round but its certainly possible. Cavs arent going to be trading JJ Hickson for the 18th pick in the draft.
Jun 22, 2010 3:47pm
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Jun 22, 2010 3:49 PM
Miami wouldn't want him anyways, but yeah, the Cavs won't be getting rid of him just for the 18th.
Jun 22, 2010 3:49pm
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Jun 22, 2010 3:53 PM
jpake1;397448 wrote:Do you get more dumb by the day? I thought you were a legit poster, but every now and then, you say some of the dumbest things I've read on here. You have to be joking. Have you EVER heard of anybody buying a 1st rounder for 10M? Teams buy into the first round every year. It usually costs them around 3M to do so. There are a few teams that DON'T want their first round pick. They'd much rather have the very early 2nd rounders so they aren't obligated to pay them for two years.

I was exaggerating with the $10 million, but if the Blazers set the price at $2 million to move up in the 2nd round, it's going to cost more than $3 million to buy into the 1st without being able to give back a pick. How is that hard to understand?

And don't give me the shit about not wanting to be obligated for two years. Outside of the top of the lottery, rookies don't make shit. Quit acting like it's such a huge financial burden to pay a guy $1.5 million a year.
Jun 22, 2010 3:53pm
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Jun 22, 2010 3:56 PM
BR1986FB;397460 wrote:Yeah. it would probably cost between $1.5- $3 million to get into the first round.

Go tell the Blazers front office that, because they just paid $2 million to move up 10 spots in the 2nd round.

If that's all it costs, why would the Blazers have done that in the first place?
Jun 22, 2010 3:56pm
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Jun 22, 2010 3:58 PM
Because the Blazers have the money, knew what they wanted and their partner was reluctant.

Not really that complicated.
Jun 22, 2010 3:58pm
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Jun 22, 2010 3:59 PM
thedynasty1998;397476 wrote:Go tell the Blazers front office that, because they just paid $2 million to move up 10 spots in the 2nd round.

If that's all it costs, why would the Blazers have done that in the first place?

Just read an article where the Mavs might pay $1.5 million to move up into the 1st.
Jun 22, 2010 3:59pm
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Jun 22, 2010 4:07 PM
Not to say you are wrong, but I ready that they might move up in the 2nd round for $1.5 (I'm assuming that means a swap as well).

Also heard they might be willing to take on a bad contract to move into the first.

Both a little different scenarios.
Jun 22, 2010 4:07pm
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Jun 22, 2010 4:16 PM
thedynasty1998;397340 wrote:This is a joke right?

yes. i'm fucking with you.

the cavs are hamstrung for the most part. at least for the next 12 months.
Jun 22, 2010 4:16pm
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Jun 22, 2010 4:17 PM
LOL, dynasty... Do some research, go check how many teams have bought a draft pick for over 3M dollars. Don't worry, I'll wait smart guy.

Every single year teams try to trade out of the 1st round because they like the non-guaranteed salary that is cheaper. Cheap owners love to do it. Teams in the luxary tax love to do it. Get a fuckin' clue man.

I feel like I'm sitting at the little kids table when I'm talking to you about basketball sometimes.
Jun 22, 2010 4:17pm
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Jun 22, 2010 4:22 PM
Well let's see how it plays out then. I'll won't be holding my breath on a Cavs buying a 1st round pick for $2 million.
Jun 22, 2010 4:22pm
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Jun 22, 2010 4:28 PM
If the Cavs buy a pick in the first it will be to satisfy a requirement by a trading partner imo.
Jun 22, 2010 4:28pm
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Jun 22, 2010 4:29 PM
Not sure if it will happen this year, but it doesn't cost a lot to move into the 1st round. A lot of teams want out of there anyhow as the talent is usually a big drop off after the top ten.
Jun 22, 2010 4:29pm
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Jun 22, 2010 4:34 PM
The Cavs will probably by 3M for a pick, if they indeed buy one. They may trade for one, we'll know soon enough.
Jun 22, 2010 4:34pm
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Jun 22, 2010 4:37 PM
But this is a very deep draft, according to experts and many have said that there isn't much of a drop off from the 10th to the 30th prospect, which I would thin makes those picks more valuable.

And yes, I could see the Cavs making some type of a trade to get into the draft and then making even moving around a little, but time is ticking. I just don't see them buying a pick for $2 million with no strings attached.
Jun 22, 2010 4:37pm
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Jun 22, 2010 4:47 PM
What experts are saying this? From everything I've read, most front office guys see this as just a decent sub-par draft. Which I agree with. Change your 2M number to 3M-- then do you still have an issue with it?
Jun 22, 2010 4:47pm
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Jun 22, 2010 4:51 PM
...and to top it off, FO's aren't going to throw 30 years of history out the window that substantiates the assertion that later picks generally don't pan out and start dumping a couple extra mil around because a couple "experts" say the draft is deep anyway (even if true)
Jun 22, 2010 4:51pm
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Jun 22, 2010 4:55 PM
I'd be really surprised if a team sold their pick for $3 million as well. Maybe a 2nd rounder.

But I might be wrong and hope that I am. I'm just going off of what Portland did today.
Jun 22, 2010 4:55pm
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Jun 22, 2010 5:02 PM
thedynasty1998;397527 wrote:But this is a very deep draft, according to experts and many have said that there isn't much of a drop off from the 10th to the 30th prospect, which I would thin makes those picks more valuable.

And yes, I could see the Cavs making some type of a trade to get into the draft and then making even moving around a little, but time is ticking. I just don't see them buying a pick for $2 million with no strings attached.

This is far from a deep draft. This is a very thin draft. Outside of the top 5 there is hardly any separation between players. As far as buying a draft pick goes.......I think there is a limit of 3M on draft picks.
Jun 22, 2010 5:02pm
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Jun 22, 2010 5:46 PM
Oh my goodness, thedynasty continues to amaze me with the stuff he posts.

Teams sell draft picks ALL THE TIME.
Jun 22, 2010 5:46pm
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Jun 22, 2010 5:49 PM
Hell, I know last year the Lakers sold their pick and the year before that I believe Denver sold theirs.. That's just off the top of my head.
Jun 22, 2010 5:49pm