posted by Fletch

THis topic is simple, if you want abortions, move to where they will be legal.  DOnt like, dont move there.  States rights is great.

Yea they usually get it right.. slavery, Jim Crow, KKK, gay marriage, currently going around hysterically banning books, inventing crt crisis, canceling Disney. This should work out great in the south, they have a great history of being on the right side of things. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Do most pro-lifers understand that half of all abortions are obtained by women below the federal property level (i.e. really fucking poor) and another 25% are considered low income/poor.  More than two-thirds cannot afford to pay the cost of the abortion.  Blacks and Hispanics are far more likely to get an abortion and represent greatly disproportionate numbers of the total abortions.  The last 5 years have averaged 750k-800k abortions per year in the US.  That’s almost 4 million.  

So what happens to these children going forward if abortion is banned tomorrow?  We are going to have a large growth to the impoverished/unemployed households.  Who’s going to take care of these new lives?

So you prefer non-whites kill their children?

posted by Fletch

THis topic is simple, if you want abortions, move to where they will be legal.  DOnt like, dont move there.  States rights is great.

I mean that sounds like what happened in Germany. So your basically saying as long as the majority in a state agree, then fuck what is the right thing to do? People should just move?

posted by geeblock

Yea they usually get it right.. slavery, Jim Crow, KKK, gay marriage, currently going around hysterically banning books, inventing crt crisis, canceling Disney. This should work out great in the south, they have a great history of being on the right side of things. 

The feds don't always get it right either.  Past and present.  I was not aware Disney was cancelled.  Last weekend my granddaughters spent the night.  They watched a movie on disney plus.  A fee is debited from my account every month.  By the way present day Florida is heavily populated with northern migrants.

posted by iclfan2

So you prefer non-whites kill their children?

I don’t prefer any of it .  I’m asking if people who are pro life understand the consequences of banning abortion, and if they are willing to make the necessary accommodations in our society to take care of thousands if not millions of children born into households that will not have the means to take care of them.  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I don’t prefer any of it .  I’m asking if people who are pro life understand the consequences of banning abortion, and if they are willing to make the necessary accommodations in our society to take care of thousands if not millions of children born into households that will not have the means to take care of them.  

I'm pissed off that dipshit Biden thinks taxpaying citizens should pay for these freeloaders getting their student loans pardoned. So my answer is "no."

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

 

So what happens to these children going forward if abortion is banned tomorrow?  We are going to have a large growth to the impoverished/unemployed households.  Who’s going to take care of these new lives?

I imagine some of them get a chance to experience the American dream.  Have families of their own.  Maybe escape poverty into wealth like so many have.  Perhaps pioneer a new invention?  Better the life for the masses?  The possibilities are endless. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Depends on your state. Some may be hundreds or thousands of miles away.

Thousands of miles?  LOL, no.

Now the NYT did a "study", I think, and determined this would equate to 14% less abortions per year.  And the cynical, counter-argument to that is donors will step in to fund the higher cost of travel.

So, at the end of the day, the hysterical politard meter goes to 1000 on both sides while actual abortion numbers probably won't be that impacted.

posted by majorspark

I imagine some of them get a chance to experience the American dream.  Have families of their own.  Maybe escape poverty into wealth like so many have.  Perhaps pioneer a new invention?  Better the life for the masses?  The possibilities are endless. 

Translation: I hope they do amazing, as long as they don’t move to my neighborhood or go to my kids school.  (Not specifically talking about u but in general)

posted by majorspark

The feds don't always get it right either.  Past and present.  I was not aware Disney was cancelled.  Last weekend my granddaughters spent the night.  They watched a movie on disney plus.  A fee is debited from my account every month.  By the way present day Florida is heavily populated with northern migrants.

Well desantis is wasting major time passing dumb legislation that can’t be enforced and people are lined up blocking the roads and ruining peoples vac

posted by majorspark

I imagine some of them get a chance to experience the American dream.  Have families of their own.  Maybe escape poverty into wealth like so many have.  Perhaps pioneer a new invention?  Better the life for the masses?  The possibilities are endless. 

I would hope this too.  But assuming this doesn’t happen for all of them,  are we willing to make the sacrifices necessary to support the rest and any resulting consequences?  

It’s a fair question before we essentially make a huge change to our country’s demographics.  

Conservatives should start referring to abortions as "deportations"....then, naturally, liberals would reflexively oppose it.

Seems like a weird flex for thr don’t tread on me crowd to support anything that allows one groups beliefs to control another persons body or medical decisions.  Especially after the rhetoric of last two years 

posted by geeblock

Well desantis is wasting major time passing dumb legislation that can’t be enforced and people are lined up blocking the roads and ruining peoples vac

None of this is correct

posted by geeblock

Seems like a weird flex for thr don’t tread on me crowd to support anything that allows one groups beliefs to control another persons body or medical decisions.  Especially after the rhetoric of last two years 

No one makes people get pregnant. The hypocrites are the left pretending no autonomy on their body to kill someone, yet they all sided with the government making people have to get a shot or more to have a job. It’s hilarious you don’t see the difference. 

posted by iclfan2

No one makes people get pregnant. The hypocrites are the left pretending no autonomy on their body to kill someone, yet they all sided with the government making people have to get a shot or more. It’s hilarious you don’t see the difference. 

What does that have to do with a person believing that one’s person’s beliefs shouldn’t be legislated on another person? You clearly didn’t like it when we were talking about a mask, but now support it because u agree with it. How does someone getting an abortion effect you?

posted by iclfan2

None of this is correct

Oh yea? 

posted by geeblock

Seems like a weird flex for thr don’t tread on me crowd to support anything that allows one groups beliefs to control another persons body or medical decisions.  Especially after the rhetoric of last two years 

Its not a weird flex if one believes that what is growing in the womb is a separate and equal human life.  It would be reasonable to those in the don't tread on me crowd would not support life in the womb to be tread on either.

posted by geeblock

Oh yea? 

Yea. No one is blocking roads. It isn’t Seattle/ Portland.

posted by geeblock

What does that have to do with a person believing that one’s person’s beliefs shouldn’t be legislated on another person? You clearly didn’t like it when we were talking about a mask, but now support it because u agree with it. How does someone getting an abortion effect you?

What don’t you get? Not allowing abortions doesn’t affect anyone but dummies getting pregnant. Mandating a vaccine was on any single person who did nothing. I don’t actually care about abortions that much, especially before 12 weeks, but they don’t compare. One chose their problem while the other didn’t. It’s very simple to not get pregnant. 

posted by iclfan2

What don’t you get? Not allowing abortions doesn’t affect anyone but dummies getting pregnant. Mandating a vaccine was on any single person who did nothing. I don’t actually care about abortions that much, especially before 12 weeks, but they don’t compare. One chose their problem while the other didn’t. It’s very simple to not get pregnant. 

No contraceptive including a vasectomy is 100 percent . 

posted by iclfan2

Yea. No one is blocking roads. It isn’t Seattle/ Portland.

There are/were people trying not super successfully to block the entrances to Disney by pretending their cars were breaking down ect and harrassing people as they try to enter 

posted by geeblock

No contraceptive including a vasectomy is 100 percent . 

Lol ok. A condom and birth control is 99%. And a vasectomy after tested is 99.9%. And I’m cool with abortions for rape and incest. It’s the idiots who treat it like birth control that people have issues with. 

posted by majorspark

Its not a weird flex if one believes that what is growing in the womb is a separate and equal human life.  It would be reasonable to those in the don't tread on me crowd would not support life in the womb to be tread on either.

Like I said that is your beliefs. I also hope no one has an abortion, however I 100 percent support someone’s right to choose. One persons belief should not allow another persons medical decisions to be legislated by the govt. (yes including masks)

posted by geeblock

There are/were people trying not super successfully to block the entrances to Disney by pretending their cars were breaking down ect and harrassing people as they try to enter 

Good thing they voted for a governor who won’t put up with that shit…