Browns Preseason 2019

posted by BR1986FB

Wasn't there a poster who lived in AZ that was pretty high on him coming out of the draft?

Maybe ishlep? He always JO'd to ASU Athletes.

Was shocked to see this, Browns have the 23rd easiest schedule going into 2019 with opponents having a .484 win %. In a not so shocking development, the Patriots came in at 27th with a .473.

posted by Commander of Awesome

Maybe ishlep? He always JO'd to ASU Athletes.

He was an OSU and Arizona grad. He liked Harden, that was it lol.

posted by Laley23

He was an OSU and Arizona grad. He liked Harden, that was it lol.

 

It was hard to understand what he was saying with Harden's jockstrap down his throat all the time. Figured he rode all of ASU

Jags likely to release Carlos Hyde. Dorsey getting something for nothing.

Thoughts on this?

Cleveland Browns

1. Lock up Damarious Randall and Joe Schobert. The Browns don't have any free agents who would justify the franchise tag, but they have a pair of key contributors hitting free agency next season in Randall and Schobert, two building blocks for the defense. They're both every-down contributors when healthy, and with $78.6 million in cap space, there's no reason for GM John Dorsey to delay locking up the heart of his defense for years to come.

If the Browns want to clear up cash, they could cut Jamie Collins, who doesn't play in nickel packages when Schobert and Christian Kirksey are healthy. Releasing Collins would save $10.5 million in cash and create $9.3 million in cap space. The Browns could insert Genard Avery, who flashed as a fifth-round pick, into the starting lineup for Collins.

2. Go after Trent Brown. After losing future Hall of Famer Joe Thomas to retirement, the Browns started the year with undrafted free agent Desmond Harrison at left tackle. Harrison struggled during the first half of the season, was scratched with an illness before Week 9, and didn't play another snap the rest of the way. They turned to former Rams tackle Greg Robinson, who delivered the best half-year of his pro career. Stats LLC suggests he didn't allow a single sack in his eight starts, although the 2014 second overall pick did commit six holding penalties.

Should the Browns bring back Robinson? Sure, if the price is right. Should they stop there? Absolutely not. They have the cap space to go after the best tackle on the market, and that's Brown, the Patriots left tackle who was impressive in his first season on the left side after starting his career as a right tackle for the 49ers. The 6-foot-8, 380-pound Brown certainly has the size to play on the blind side, and if Cleveland is going to invest serious money anywhere, left tackle makes the most sense. Dorsey, who used his first selection as a GM to draft Eric Fisher with the first overall pick for the Chiefs, isn't going to ignore the line.

Former third-round pick Larry Ogunjobi has developed into a solid player, but the Browns still need help along the interior of their defensive line. Photo by Ian Johnson/Icon Sportswire

3. Add another edge rusher. The Browns have an absolute stud in Myles Garrett. After that, things get murkier. Larry Ogunjobi has flashed as a promising interior disruptor, although he slowed down as last season went on. Avery racked up 4.5 sacks and 14 quarterback knockdowns, but nobody else topped four sacks or eight knockdowns last season. Emmanuel Ogbah looked like he might be a future difference-maker as a rookie, but the 2016 second-rounder has just seven sacks and 13 knockdowns over 24 subsequent starts, missing time with a broken foot and an ankle injury.

The Browns could use a second pass-rusher to play across from Garrett and scare opposing offensive coordinators. I think the Chiefs are likely to cut Justin Houston, and it might make sense for him to be reunited with Dorsey, even if new defensive coordinator Steve Wilks will be running a 4-3 as his base defense in Cleveland. The Browns ranked 25th against the run last season, so they might also look for a solid two-way veteran like Brandon Graham of the Eagles. Dorsey has four top-100 picks in a draft full of edge help, so it wouldn't shock me if the team invested one of its top selections in a defensive end.

4. Find help next to Ogunjobi. I want the Browns to sign Ndamukong Suh. They need someone who can punish opposing teams for doubling Garrett and have $71 million in cap space. Suh is 32, but the Nebraska product hasn't missed a game to injury in his career. He has been a steady interior presence, and this might be his last chance at getting a multiyear deal. A three-year, $45 million deal with $30 million in guarantees could make both sides happy. Also, it would make me happy.

5. Sign a deep threat. The core of Baker Mayfield's receiving corps is set with Jarvis Landry and David Njoku. Antonio Callaway fell in the draft because of many serious off-field concerns, but he appeared to stay on the straight and narrow during his rookie season. The 21-year-old was stretched as a No. 2 wideout in 2019, and while he still has plenty of time to develop, the Browns started to carve out a role in the second half for Ravens castoff Breshad Perriman, whose speed stretched opposing defenses.

Cleveland could choose to bring back the free-agent Perriman, but it has room to upgrade and find a more consistent deep threat to serve as a contrast to Landry's short and intermediate work. Dorsey traded a draft pick to the Dolphins to acquire Landry, and you wonder whether he might go back to Miami to make a move for Kenny Stills, who wouldn't have much utility on a rebuilding Dolphins team. Cleveland also could make a move in free agency for John Brown, who was impressive in the first half with the Ravens in 2018.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26020410/five-2019-offseason-moves-afc-team-make-bill-barnwell-predicts-trades-free-agency-cuts#cle

posted by BR1986FB

Jags likely to release Carlos Hyde. Dorsey getting something for nothing.

Loved that trade when it happened. Hyde was slow and not good. 

posted by Laley23

Loved that trade when it happened. Hyde was slow and not good. 

 

I liked it, because it meant Hue's hand was forced and he actually had to play Chubb.  I never understood why some Browns fans were butt hurt about Hyde being traded.  

posted by BR1986FB

Thoughts on this?

Cleveland Browns

1. Lock up Damarious Randall and Joe Schobert. The Browns don't have any free agents who would justify the franchise tag, but they have a pair of key contributors hitting free agency next season in Randall and Schobert, two building blocks for the defense. They're both every-down contributors when healthy, and with $78.6 million in cap space, there's no reason for GM John Dorsey to delay locking up the heart of his defense for years to come.

If the Browns want to clear up cash, they could cut Jamie Collins, who doesn't play in nickel packages when Schobert and Christian Kirksey are healthy. Releasing Collins would save $10.5 million in cash and create $9.3 million in cap space. The Browns could insert Genard Avery, who flashed as a fifth-round pick, into the starting lineup for Collins.

2. Go after Trent Brown. After losing future Hall of Famer Joe Thomas to retirement, the Browns started the year with undrafted free agent Desmond Harrison at left tackle. Harrison struggled during the first half of the season, was scratched with an illness before Week 9, and didn't play another snap the rest of the way. They turned to former Rams tackle Greg Robinson, who delivered the best half-year of his pro career. Stats LLC suggests he didn't allow a single sack in his eight starts, although the 2014 second overall pick did commit six holding penalties.

Should the Browns bring back Robinson? Sure, if the price is right. Should they stop there? Absolutely not. They have the cap space to go after the best tackle on the market, and that's Brown, the Patriots left tackle who was impressive in his first season on the left side after starting his career as a right tackle for the 49ers. The 6-foot-8, 380-pound Brown certainly has the size to play on the blind side, and if Cleveland is going to invest serious money anywhere, left tackle makes the most sense. Dorsey, who used his first selection as a GM to draft Eric Fisher with the first overall pick for the Chiefs, isn't going to ignore the line.

Former third-round pick Larry Ogunjobi has developed into a solid player, but the Browns still need help along the interior of their defensive line. Photo by Ian Johnson/Icon Sportswire

3. Add another edge rusher. The Browns have an absolute stud in Myles Garrett. After that, things get murkier. Larry Ogunjobi has flashed as a promising interior disruptor, although he slowed down as last season went on. Avery racked up 4.5 sacks and 14 quarterback knockdowns, but nobody else topped four sacks or eight knockdowns last season. Emmanuel Ogbah looked like he might be a future difference-maker as a rookie, but the 2016 second-rounder has just seven sacks and 13 knockdowns over 24 subsequent starts, missing time with a broken foot and an ankle injury.

The Browns could use a second pass-rusher to play across from Garrett and scare opposing offensive coordinators. I think the Chiefs are likely to cut Justin Houston, and it might make sense for him to be reunited with Dorsey, even if new defensive coordinator Steve Wilks will be running a 4-3 as his base defense in Cleveland. The Browns ranked 25th against the run last season, so they might also look for a solid two-way veteran like Brandon Graham of the Eagles. Dorsey has four top-100 picks in a draft full of edge help, so it wouldn't shock me if the team invested one of its top selections in a defensive end.

4. Find help next to Ogunjobi. I want the Browns to sign Ndamukong Suh. They need someone who can punish opposing teams for doubling Garrett and have $71 million in cap space. Suh is 32, but the Nebraska product hasn't missed a game to injury in his career. He has been a steady interior presence, and this might be his last chance at getting a multiyear deal. A three-year, $45 million deal with $30 million in guarantees could make both sides happy. Also, it would make me happy.

 

5. Sign a deep threat. The core of Baker Mayfield's receiving corps is set with Jarvis Landry and David Njoku. Antonio Callaway fell in the draft because of many serious off-field concerns, but he appeared to stay on the straight and narrow during his rookie season. The 21-year-old was stretched as a No. 2 wideout in 2019, and while he still has plenty of time to develop, the Browns started to carve out a role in the second half for Ravens castoff Breshad Perriman, whose speed stretched opposing defenses.

Cleveland could choose to bring back the free-agent Perriman, but it has room to upgrade and find a more consistent deep threat to serve as a contrast to Landry's short and intermediate work. Dorsey traded a draft pick to the Dolphins to acquire Landry, and you wonder whether he might go back to Miami to make a move for Kenny Stills, who wouldn't have much utility on a rebuilding Dolphins team. Cleveland also could make a move in free agency for John Brown, who was impressive in the first half with the Ravens in 2018.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26020410/five-2019-offseason-moves-afc-team-make-bill-barnwell-predicts-trades-free-agency-cuts#cle

I don't hate it.  I would have added #6 find a fucking kicker.  Filling this hole is a lot more important than most people are giving attention to for some reason.  We saw how a shitty kicker cost us numerous games and cost playoff wins for other teams.

On a semi related note since that article also covers the AFCN, I hope the Ravens choose not to pay Tucker. Not because I want the Browns to overpay for him, but because Tucker has been great enough to win the Ravens 1-3 games every year (don't @ me with fact checking). 

posted by like_that

 I never understood why some Browns fans were butt hurt about Hyde being traded.  

Because Ohio State. Most posters on here aren't morons about this but there are a lot of people who are diehard OSU on this stuff, many times to the point that they don't want the Browns to draft or sign Michigan players because of where they came from. Once they're in Brown & Orange, their collegiate affiliation doesn't matter.

posted by like_that

I don't hate it.  I would have added #6 find a fucking kicker. 

On a semi related note since that article also covers the AFCN, I hope the Ravens choose not to pay Tucker. Not because I want the Browns to overpay for him, but because Tucker has been great enough to win the Ravens 1-3 games every year (don't @ me with fact checking). 

The Rats are kinda screwed, cap-wise. The Flacco trade helped free up money but unless they get creative, they are going to lose some very good players.

posted by BR1986FB

Because Ohio State. Most posters on here aren't morons about this but there are a lot of people who are diehard OSU on this stuff, many times to the point that they don't want the Browns to draft or sign Michigan players because of where they came from. Once they're in Brown & Orange, their collegiate affiliation doesn't matter.

Good point, and I should have thought about that.  That type of logic is idiotic.  There are still Browns fans hating on Peppers, because he played at Michigan.  Hate on him if he plays like a piece of shit, but if he has a great game (i.e. Denver), don't be a petty little bitch and refuse to give him credit. 

posted by BR1986FB

The Rats are kinda screwed, cap-wise. The Flacco trade helped free up money but unless they get creative, they are going to lose some very good players.

That's a lot of $ they relieved themselves though.  Enough for be able to keep Mosley at least.  We will see how they handle their cap situation.  Ozzie was the king of letting guys go and just replenishing talent with the compensatory picks.  Hopefully their new GM isn't as savy.

posted by like_that

Good point, and I should have thought about that.  That type of logic is idiotic.  There are still Browns fans hating on Peppers, because he played at Michigan.  Hate on him if he plays like a piece of shit, but if he has a great game (i.e. Denver), don't be a petty little bitch and refuse to give him credit. 

 

That's why the Braylon Edwards situation always cracked me up. Yes, there were dolts who hated Edwards because he came from Michigan but it was even funnier that Edwards whined that nobody liked him because he graduated from Michigan. No, dumbass...most smart fans couldn't stand you because you couldn't catch a friggin cold except for one year.

posted by like_that

 

That's a lot of $ they relieved themselves though.  Enough for be able to keep Mosley at least.  We will see how they handle their cap situation.  Ozzie was the king of letting guys go and just replenishing talent with the compensatory picks.  Hopefully their new GM isn't as savy.

They likely keep Mosley but if they could pry Za'Darius Smith or, better yet, Michael Pierce (who is a RFA) to put next to Ogunjobi, I'd consider it a win. Add talent, weaken a foe.

posted by like_that

I liked it, because it meant Hue's hand was forced and he actually had to play Chubb.  I never understood why some Browns fans were butt hurt about Hyde being traded.  

It was mostly just vball who didn’t like it.

posted by Laley23

It was mostly just vball who didn’t like it.

 

I found out from a card dealer at Mountaineer right as it happened as we were walking into the casino. Guy was totally distraught. I was like "wtf, gives a more explosive option in Chubb a chance to see what he can do." Guy wanted to debate me about it. Hyde kinda  reminded me of Jamal Lewis in 2007...had a good numbers year but left a ton of yards on the field due to lost explosion.

https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/browns/report-browns-leading-candidate-to-land-de-frank-clark/95-405cc6fe-2cc8-47c3-8ddb-af1fe795dd45

posted by Laley23

It was mostly just vball who didn’t like it.

 

You are correct, but once I took my Scarlet & Gray glasses off and donned my Brown & Orange, I began to see things more clearly...bottom line, In Dorsey I Trust.

Browns signed Robinson to a 1 year deal. Might as well make that deal with him and hope he’s figured it out. Glad it wasn’t a longer deal (yet). 

posted by like_that

Good point, and I should have thought about that.  That type of logic is idiotic.  There are still Browns fans hating on Peppers, because he played at Michigan.  Hate on him if he plays like a piece of shit, but if he has a great game (i.e. Denver), don't be a petty little bitch and refuse to give him credit. 

posted by BR1986FB

The Rats are kinda screwed, cap-wise. The Flacco trade helped free up money but unless they get creative, they are going to lose some very good players.

That's a lot of $ they relieved themselves though.  Enough for be able to keep Mosley at least.  We will see how they handle their cap situation.  Ozzie was the king of letting guys go and just replenishing talent with the compensatory picks.  Hopefully their new GM isn't as savy.

 

Never understood why people would hate a player on their team because of the college he attended.

If he plays well and helps you win, who gives a damn?