LOCKED: Browns BS Drama Continued...

posted by kizer permanente

You're missing the point. You can't compare completion percentages when one guys throwing 550 passes a year and the other 350.

Still, the "unknown." You don't know that Mayfield's completion % wouldn't be higher if he threw as many passes. There's about a 7% difference in completion percentage, which is a pretty decent gap.

Granted, Brees didn't throw many passes his freshman year but Mayfield only threw less than 200 passes than Brees over his career. Brees % decreased (yearly) from his sophomore year to his senior year while Mayfield's increased from his freshman to junior year and leveled off his senior year.

posted by kizer permanente

You're missing the point. You can't compare completion percentages when one guys throwing 550 passes a year and the other 350.

One could say that. One could also say that pass attempts was the only stat Brees was superior in while in college, as Mayfield averaged more yards per attempt and had a vastly superior TD/INT ratio. Neither of which are a be-all, end-all, considering that Mayfield's Okies were a far superior team than Brees' Boilermakers, but it seems a bit disingenius to say a guy doesn't have any elite element while another guy does with accuracy when the non-elite guy has been more elite up to his current age and it took the elite guy up to his fourth year in the NFL (third as a starter) to develop anything remotely elite-level in accuracy.

I also don't know that pass numbers really mean that much. When Brees really started getting elite with NO later in his career and had a few 70% seasons and a few more in the 68-70 range, he was throwing between 514-673 passes a year, which simply states that he (a) got a lot better in the NFL and/or (b) was in a system that played to his strengths with the personnel to pull it off. With Cleveland's current personnel, having any quarterback airing it out that much would be insane. They're more in a situation where I think the run game has to be more of a focal point, while the QB needs to be smart and accurate.

I love Barkley but I would never take a running back that high under any circumstance. If you’re letting Crow go I would like a Nick Chubb late 2 or early 3.

Is there a PFF equivalent for college football that tracks accurate passes? That's the really only way you'll get a definitive answer. And even then its largely speculatory since there's the human condition grading it. Untill then, I'll side with the most accurate passer in NFL history. Completion percentage in it's most basic form isn't a telling statistic. 

posted by kizer permanente

Is there a PFF equivalent for college football that tracks accurate passes? That's the really only way you'll get a definitive answer. And even then its largely speculatory since there's the human condition grading it. Untill then, I'll side with the most accurate passer in NFL history. Completion percentage in it's most basic form isn't a telling statistic. 

Found this:

https://twitter.com/TJCarter26/status/948911273877606400?s=09

I don’t trust completion % for QBs in certain systems. Weeden’s %’s were probably great. 

posted by SportsAndLady

I don’t trust completion % for QBs in certain systems. Weeden’s %’s were probably great. 

69% completion % btw

Fair enough. And I’m not trying to say that baker isn’t accurate. I just don’t trust completion % by itself as a statistical category to depict accuracy. 

posted by SportsAndLady

Fair enough. And I’m not trying to say that baker isn’t accurate. I just don’t trust completion % by itself as a statistical category to depict accuracy. 

Doesn't matter to me about his accuracy. Still don't want him at #1 or #4.

posted by SportsAndLady

I don’t trust completion % for QBs in certain systems. Weeden’s %’s were probably great. 

So was Colt McCoy's.

posted by Commander of Awesome

Found this:

 

https://twitter.com/TJCarter26/status/948911273877606400?s=09

That’s actually pretty legit. 

It makes no difference who the Browns select as a QB. Whomever they choose will go on to underperform because the team is run by idiots. 

Ogbah and Shelton complained about the parade on twitter. Shelton even went as far to say free agents wouldn’t want to come there bc of it. I had to lol at that. I’m pretty sure the never winning plays a much larger part. 

posted by iclfan2

Ogbah and Shelton complained about the parade on twitter. Shelton even went as far to say free agents wouldn’t want to come there bc of it. I had to lol at that. I’m pretty sure the never winning plays a much larger part. 

The parade is pathetic.  Just a loser mentality organized by a dumbass "twitter comedian."

The “parade” is harmless. When you’re a fan and watching 1-15, 0-16 seasons over and over, might as well try and have a little fun with it. 

Shelton and Ogbah can either get better or STFU. 

posted by SportsAndLady

The “parade” is harmless. When you’re a fan and watching 1-15, 0-16 seasons over and over, might as well try and have a little fun with it. 

Shelton and Ogbah can either get better or STFU. 

Agreed. At least fire the fucking coach. They get what they deserve 

posted by iclfan2

Ogbah and Shelton complained about the parade on twitter. Shelton even went as far to say free agents wouldn’t want to come there bc of it. I had to lol at that. I’m pretty sure the never winning plays a much larger part. 

Yeah I didn't really get Ogbah saying it was like "adding fuel to the fire". Seems to me this team could use a little fire.

I loved the parade. People getting mad about it (mainly within he organization) should maybe do something to prevent it/them. The fact they were cool with sucking all year and never getting mad about losing, but then the parade gets under their skin because it's the fans calling them out, frankly, is embarrassing for the players/organ

And @reflog is hilarious...

Florio just trolled the organization at half time of the Rams/Falcons.

I was pretty indifferent to the parade.  I have no problem with it, but I had no desire to go to it.  Shelton and any other player that whines about it are morons though.  That team is a laughing stock and they and everyone in that organization should be a targets from fans.

As for @reflog...he is ok.  He throws so much shit against the wall...some of his jokes are bound to stick.