Browns BS Drama continued Part II...

posted by Ironman92

You don’t want Tomlin

I already said that, lol. Dude has no control over his locker room. Heard one of these "talking heads" say that the Pittsburgh roster "wasn't a team, but a bunch of independent contractors."

As far as Baker's comments about fan attendance, I think that could have a bit to do with the fact that whether he was at Oklahoma, or on the road, he was usually playing to a packed house. Probably used to it. Plus he probably heard about how great the fans were and was a little surprised. Think it will take fans until this off season to be "all in" on the Browns again and we should see packed houses going forward. Seems kind of cyclical as the 90's Tribe was the place to be, the last 4 years was the Cavs and now it's the Browns turn, like it should be (ALWAYS).

posted by Commander of Awesome

I think we should move on from this. But I also don't think that is something you should be proud of posting on an internet forum at your age. You should know better, you're a smart dude.

lol shut the fuck up.  

Count me in as someone who doesn't GAF when S&L says "kill yourself."   When did this thread get so sensitive?  

Agree or disagree with these rankings?

https://waitingfornextyear.com/2018/12/ranking-the-cleveland-browns-cornerstone-players/?fbclid=IwAR1_jIV8b9PkwxjzugqK2AoCx374LUAj5GS2D_IJwMn4bzGCEqmu6qCP5sU

posted by HitsRus

This team easily could’ve been 7-5-1....SMH

It's hard to not think "what if" every time they get a W.   7-5-1 is being very conservative too.  They could have been at 9 wins right now. At this point I am more than convinced this was a playoff team minus Hue.  We are going to look at the 2 AFC wildcard teams and think the Browns would have been better.  

I just hope this makes these young guys very hungry going into next season. 

posted by vball10set

Just keep winning, Mayfield, and the fans will come. With all the shitty teams and bullshit surrounding the organization over the last twenty years, the attendance has been above and beyond what this team has deserved.

...and fwiw, my son and I attend at least one game a year, and the fans have been terrific--year in and year out

I had a couple buddies at the game Sunday and they said it was rocking.  Yeah a few empty seats, but well more fans than usual in December, which says a lot considering this is their first 5 win season in years.  As you said, keep winning and things will change no doubt.  Browns fans are fine and will continue to show their support.  If we didn't bail on them the last 10+ years (especially the last two), I think we will be fine.  Hell, fucking Steelers fans bailed on their team after a couple 8-8 seasons after numerous playoff seasons.    The first sign the Bengals are going to the playoffs their fans immediately bail.  No one has room to say shit about the best fans in the league, outside of the people who care (Mayfield).  Mayfield is trying to get people hyped and he is giving us a reason to be encouraged. 

posted by BR1986FB

9. Prediction of the Week: The Browns will have four prime-time games next year. They’re fun, they’re dangerous to play, they’ve got an exciting quarterback, and they should have an exciting young coach. Cleveland finishes thusly: at Denver, Cincinnati, at Baltimore. Imagine a 7-8-1 record. Winning two of their last three would do it.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/12/10/miami-miracle-dolphins-bears-chiefs-mahomes-fmia-nfl-week-14-peter-king/

Considering we have 2 this year, this wouldn't shock me.  I just hope it's not a let down.  If we for sure aren't going to make the playoffs I would prefer to remain 3rd or 4th in the division to get the shittier teams on the schedule. 

posted by BR1986FB

It's not rocket science but depth has been an issue with this team. They have a few stellar defenders (Myles, Ward, Schobert & Ogunjobi) but no real depth behind them or legit guys they can rotate in. They need a stud LB, to pair with Schobert, another legit corner, an interior DL and I'd be more than happy if they got a good DE to push Ogbah to backup status.

I know I may have mentioned this previously, and I don't want him, but could Tomlin be a candidate for the Browns if the Steelers crash & burn down the stretch? I'm not a fan of his in game decisions but I'm starting to think this is a McCarthy/Rodgers situation all over again with the QB (Rapistberger) being a big issue.

I still don't get why we let Nassib go.  That would have been some nice depth.  Regardless, isn't it nice to actually talk about finding pieces and adding depth instead of debating which QB to take this year?  This is unchartered territory for all of us.  I don't know how to handle it. 

As for Tomlin, I highly doubt the Steelers let him go.  Let's be real, worst case scenario they make the playoffs as a wildcard team, because they wouldn't lose to the Bengals week 17 imo.  I think they will win the division though.  

If Tomlin were available, I would have to say pass.  Always thought he was overrated and is just set up with amazing drafting.  It also doesn't hurt to have a HOF rapist QB.  

posted by BR1986FB

As far as Baker's comments about fan attendance, I think that could have a bit to do with the fact that whether he was at Oklahoma, or on the road, he was usually playing to a packed house. Probably used to it. Plus he probably heard about how great the fans were and was a little surprised. Think it will take fans until this off season to be "all in" on the Browns again and we should see packed houses going forward. Seems kind of cyclical as the 90's Tribe was the place to be, the last 4 years was the Cavs and now it's the Browns turn, like it should be (ALWAYS).

As I said earlier, I am not worried about the best fans in the country.  The DC browns backers bar is still getting 200+ people to show up every Sunday.  I don't go as much as I used to, but I still see the same faces I saw when I moved to DC 6 years ago. 

posted by BR1986FB

Agree or disagree with these rankings?

https://waitingfornextyear.com/2018/12/ranking-the-cleveland-browns-cornerstone-players/?fbclid=IwAR1_jIV8b9PkwxjzugqK2AoCx374LUAj5GS2D_IJwMn4bzGCEqmu6qCP5sU

I don't have an issue with these rankings.  I could move some guys around from 3-7, but it would be nit picky shit.  Mayfield and Garret are no brainer 1 and 2.  You need a QB and somebody to rush the QB in the NFL.  The fact we have two young guys filling those needs (hopefully Baker progresses) is amazing.
 

One guy I was surprised wasn't on the rankings was Landry. Chubb probably could've been higher. Already hearing he's the "best Browns RB in the modern era."

posted by BR1986FB

One guy I was surprised wasn't on the rankings was Landry. Chubb probably could've been higher. Already hearing he's the "best Browns RB in the modern era."

Probably not higher, because RBs have a shorter shelf life in the NFL. 

Saturday night could mean huge production for Njoku, Fells & Devalve. SF's tight end had 210 yards in the first half against Denver. Chubb could also have a very nice game as the Donks are susceptible to the run. Need to keep Chubb & Miller in check and the passing game could also be solid as Denver has had a depleted secondary.

On defense, it's ALL about stopping Lindsay and making Keenum beat you. The Broncos essentially have nothing at receiver with Sanders being gone for the year and Thomas being traded. They do have a promising rookie WR but that's about it. Keenum has been sacked 30x's so Myles & Company may be able to do some damage.

Interesting facts: Myles Garrett needs 2.5 sacks to become the all-time sack leader, for a season.

The Browns haven't beaten Denver since 1990.

I’d be really surprised if it is anyone other than Riley to be the next coach. Dorsey has been at 2 Oklahoma games on the sideline since hue was fired. If Riley wants it I think it’s his. 

posted by Crimson streak

If Riley wants it I think it’s his. 

And this is the X Factor. Will he want to leave Oklahoma? With Haslam, I doubt money will be the issue. If not, my concern is that they may end up with a retread. A lot of these younger guys may not make moves. The two I definitely don't want are McCarthy & McDaniels with Arians being in the "meh" category.

posted by BR1986FB

And this is the X Factor. Will he want to leave Oklahoma? With Haslam, I doubt money will be the issue. If not, my concern is that they may end up with a retread. A lot of these younger guys may not make moves. The two I definitely don't want are McCarthy & McDaniels with Arians being in the "meh" category.

If Riley does turn it down, I’m completely fine with keeping Greg willians as head coach with kitchens as OC and possibly bringing in Bowles as DC 

Brian Spoon@BrianSpoon

#Browns Baker Mayfield was pressured on 29.2% of dropbacks on Sunday, but it made no difference. He went 5-for-5 for 76 yds, one TD, and a perfect 158.3 passer rating when facing pressure.

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10:35 AM - Dec 11, 2018

Steve Doerschuk‏ @sdoerschukREP

#Browns-Broncos Vance Joseph didn't intend this as memo to Gregg Williams, but ... "Case (Keenum) was a little cautious yesterday," Denver HC said today. "I want him to be more aggressive." An aside: Denzel Ward due back from concussion.

2:06 PM - 10 Dec 2018 from Ohio, USA

I saw Ward wasn't at practice today.

posted by iclfan2

I saw Ward wasn't at practice today.

I saw this too right after Doerschuk tweet and was like "WTF, Steve?" I think if he's not cleared by tomorrow that he won't be allowed to play.

Riley’s stock is very high right now. If he wants to jump, it’s probably best chance to do so u less he continues this for another 4-5 years. Back to back heisman QBs. Chance to coach the one in Cleveland. Back to back playoff appearances etc.

He could stay and try and be an Urban/Dabo/Saban and make the playoffs every year, lose 2 or less games a season, etc. But that’s tough to sustain, as many great college coaches have found out, over the years. If he ever wants the NFL, I think he jumps now.

posted by Laley23

Riley’s stock is very high right now. If he wants to jump, it’s probably best chance to do so u less he continues this for another 4-5 years. Back to back heisman QBs. Chance to coach the one in Cleveland. Back to back playoff appearances etc.

He could stay and try and be an Urban/Dabo/Saban and make the playoffs every year, lose 2 or less games a season, etc. But that’s tough to sustain, as many great college coaches have found out, over the years. If he ever wants the NFL, I think he jumps now.

Agreed 100% the fact Dorsey has been there twice now in 4-5 weeks tells me he has some interest in making that jump. 

Anyone else think Riley looks a little like Dr Cox on Scrubs? Ok, I'm outta here...

posted by Crimson streak

 

Agreed 100% the fact Dorsey has been there twice now in 4-5 weeks tells me he has some interest in making that jump. 

 

I feel like some are reading into this too much.  Those happened to be some marquee games he went to with NFL talent.  I am not sure why a GM needs to see a coach in person to evaluate him.  

Just saw on the NFL Network that the 2019 salary cap is going to spike another $10m+. My guestimate would put the Browns at $70-80m in cap space. Lock up a couple of keepers and snag a couple of good FA's.

posted by BR1986FB

Just saw on the NFL Network that the 2019 salary cap is going to spike another $10m+. My guestimate would put the Browns at $70-80m in cap space. Lock up a couple of keepers and snag a couple of good FA's.

Who do you have in mind?