Covid-19 discussion, continued...

posted by justincredible

Imagine living in Australia.

82k tests, 111 positives, 1 death (80 year old)

Now 900k Aussie's are under strict lockdown. Again.

Getting harder and harder to dismiss these lockdowns as a trial run for global socialism.  But the early returns are looking like, no, you can't lift people out of poverty simply by printing more money.

In a related fail, someone was saying how Cuba has less income inequality than developed nations....which kind of goes to prove the old adage that liberals want to create equality by making everyone poor.

posted by justincredible

Imagine living in Australia.

82k tests, 111 positives, 1 death (80 year old)

Now 900k Aussie's are under strict lockdown. Again.

Australia is not okay. pic.twitter.com/Y4uhzy4izh

— L 🤺 (@LHatesYouALot) July 19, 2021

Insane

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

It's always great to hear your takes on how you would have played these life events we all face much more effectively than we did. Helps us learn. 

I give him credit for one thing: Most people wouldn't publicly admit to being (or wanting to be) that stereotypical Karen-type who routinely gets roasted online for making a scene whenever something doesn't go their way.

posted by justincredible

Imagine living in Australia.

82k tests, 111 positives, 1 death (80 year old)

Now 900k Aussie's are under strict lockdown. Again.

Australia is not okay. pic.twitter.com/Y4uhzy4izh

— L 🤺 (@LHatesYouALot) July 19, 2021

I have a buddy that lives there, from the UK. He leans on the conservative side and is fine with it for several reasons. 1. The vaccination rates are still pretty low there. I think it is less than 20% of the population is fully vaccination. 2. Their level of risk tolerance there is low. He says, they look at us and think we are insane for the amount of deaths we have had and that we are failing given the number of vaccines available and our rates. 

He agrees it sucks, but then he says, looking at the alternative, like here, and the deaths, he is fine with it.  

Like nearly all things...it is a matter of perspective. 

posted by Heretic

I give him credit for one thing: Most people wouldn't publicly admit to being (or wanting to be) that stereotypical Karen-type who routinely gets roasted online for making a scene whenever something doesn't go their way.

It absolutely doesn't bother me to wear a mask in a store for 5-10 minutes.  And people forget while their own exposure might be very low risk, that person serving you is serving hundreds of others that day and has way more exposure.

Extended mask wearing is a different story - work and air travel really sucks.  I have a really tough time wearing a mask for hours on end.

Anyway, you'd think QO would support someone who perhaps chose not to be vaccinated and instead rely on masks and distancing.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I have a buddy that lives there, from the UK. He leans on the conservative side and is fine with it for several reasons. 1. The vaccination rates are still pretty low there. I think it is less than 20% of the population is fully vaccination. 2. Their level of risk tolerance there is low. He says, they look at us and think we are insane for the amount of deaths we have had and that we are failing given the number of vaccines available and our rates. 

He agrees it sucks, but then he says, looking at the alternative, like here, and the deaths, he is fine with it.  

Like nearly all things...it is a matter of perspective. 

Perspective: An 80 year old died.

posted by gut

It absolutely doesn't bother me to wear a mask in a store for 5-10 minutes.  And people forget while their own exposure might be very low risk, that person serving you is serving hundreds of others that day and has way more exposure.

Extended mask wearing is a different story - work and air travel really sucks.  I have a really tough time wearing a mask for hours on end.

Anyway, you'd think QO would support someone who perhaps chose not to be vaccinated and instead rely on masks and distancing.

I had to wear masks on an airplane recently and it sucked. I did, however, not wear one the entire time in the airport and no one said a thing other than the guy checking my ID and boarding pass before security. He just asked if I had one and offered me one if I didn't.

posted by justincredible

Perspective: An 80 year old died.

Yes and we had over 600 die yesterday and have a higher vaccination rate. 

They would look at us and think we are insane for not doing more. 

That said, for here, I'm not in favor of any additional mask mandates. I agree with a lot of you on here that it is on the unvaccinated now to get their shit together. 

posted by justincredible

I had to wear masks on an airplane recently and it sucked. I did, however, not wear one the entire time in the airport and no one said a thing other than the guy checking my ID and boarding pass before security. He just asked if I had one and offered me one if I didn't.

At least maybe they're relaxing requirement inside the airport.  I made a WC trip a while back, something like 12 hours total counting layovers and connections and all that.  SUCKED

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Yes and we had over 600 die yesterday and have a higher vaccination rate. 

They would look at us and think we are insane for not doing more. 

That said, for here, I'm not in favor of any additional mask mandates. I agree with a lot of you on here that it is on the unvaccinated now to get their shit together. 

Meaning what, exactly? If by "get their shit together" you mean "get vaccinated" I think you're going to be sorely disappointed.

posted by gut

It absolutely doesn't bother me to wear a mask in a store for 5-10 minutes.  And people forget while their own exposure might be very low risk, that person serving you is serving hundreds of others that day and has way more exposure.

Extended mask wearing is a different story - work and air travel really sucks.  I have a really tough time wearing a mask for hours on end.

Anyway, you'd think QO would support someone who perhaps chose not to be vaccinated and instead rely on masks and distancing.

Yeah, that's generally been my perspective on masks. Wearing one into a store, whether it be a 5-minute stop or 30-45 minutes for full grocery shopping might be a bit of an annoyance, but it's never actually bothered me to anything resembling a "MUH RITES!!!!!" degree. Wearing one for hours at an event is a different story. I've had to do that before and it eventually sucks. Especially if you're outdoors and it's a bit cool. Condensation gets to the area in front of your nose and mouth and you have this clammy bit of cloth pressed over your face for however long. Not ideal!

posted by justincredible

Imagine living in Australia.

82k tests, 111 positives, 1 death (80 year old)

Now 900k Aussie's are under strict lockdown. Again.

Australia is not okay. pic.twitter.com/Y4uhzy4izh

— L 🤺 (@LHatesYouALot) July 19, 2021

Glad the world is moving away from this

posted by justincredible

Meaning what, exactly? If by "get their shit together" you mean "get vaccinated" I think you're going to be sorely disappointed.

Yes, get vaccinated. Because, what is it like 99% of the deaths are unvaccinated. Yeah, I know we won't get to great vaccination rates anytime soon because of people being stupid, but also people not having access or the ability to get it. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Yes, get vaccinated. Because, what is it like 99% of the deaths are unvaccinated. Yeah, I know we won't get to great vaccination rates anytime soon because of people being stupid, but also people not having access or the ability to get it. 

Who doesn't have access or ability to get it?

posted by justincredible

Who doesn't have access or ability to get it?

People that either cannot get off work, cannot find a location, or have access to them. 

We had people on the job site that said numerous times they could not make it to a place to get the first or the second shot during the hours offered for some clinics and facilities. 

I do think if you look at the unvaccinated rates in rural and urban areas, there is a lack of access. 

At least that is my looking at the data and stories the past few weeks. 

I also think not having a single shot one and done anymore has severely hurt the rates.  

Have you considered that a lot of rural and urban American's just don't want it?

posted by justincredible

Have you considered that a lot of rural and urban American's just don't want it?

Yes, and that is them being dumb as shit. 

Vaccination hesitation is such a new thing and makes zero sense. 

No one complained about the polio, smallpox, or any other vaccination until very recently. 

Speaking of vaccine hesitancy:

If Trump were POTUS, Democrats would NOT be taking the vaccine. That’s a fact.

I actually remember 2020 / this video.

So no I am not going to hear it from you people or be lectured.

This is the world y’all created.

pic.twitter.com/mBdi7ul223

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) July 18, 2021

posted by justincredible

Speaking of vaccine hesitancy:

If Trump were POTUS, Democrats would NOT be taking the vaccine. That’s a fact.

I actually remember 2020 / this video.

So no I am not going to hear it from you people or be lectured.

This is the world y’all created.

pic.twitter.com/mBdi7ul223

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) July 18, 2021

Yeah, that is dumb. I don't think you can make that case.

That is the problem, making it political. Throughout US History, vaccinations were not political. It was only now that it is. 

Go back and look how we rolled out polio and smallpox vaccine. We had the blueprint and are failing at it now. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Yes, and that is them being dumb as shit. 

Vaccination hesitation is such a new thing and makes zero sense. 

No one complained about the polio, smallpox, or any other vaccination until very recently.

I suspect, when other countries catch-up to the US, you'll see similar "vaccine hesitation".  Except maybe in countries that require it.  There will always be a significant number of people who either think they don't need it (maybe because they're young & healthy), are too lazy to be bothered, etc..

If you want the vaccine in this country, you can get it.  Your point may have been true a few months or even a few weeks ago when demand > supply.  But that's just an excuse now.  If people can travel hours for a Trump or BLM rally, they can get their ass somewhere to get the dose if they really want to.  There's a lot of bullshit in this country that if you can't walk a block down your street to vote or get an abortion, then you're "denied" access.