Covid-19 discussion, continued...

queencitybuckeye Senior Member
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Sat, Apr 18, 2020 8:25 AM
posted by Al Bundy

Suppose that a Walmart worker is making $12/hour. That is $24,960 for the year. If you give them an extra $600/week, that is $56,160 for the year. That is more than many professionals working from home make.

In the short term, they're worth more than many professionals.

Al Bundy Senior Member
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Sat, Apr 18, 2020 8:33 AM
posted by queencitybuckeye

In the short term, they're worth more than many professionals.

Maybe is some cases, but I'm not sure how I feel about paying the 16-year old working the register more than her teacher makes.

SportsAndLady Senior Member
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Sat, Apr 18, 2020 9:17 AM
posted by queencitybuckeye

In the short term, they're worth more than many professionals.

This. X1000

 

O-Trap Chief Shenanigans Officer
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Sat, Apr 18, 2020 12:41 PM
posted by Al Bundy

Maybe is some cases, but I'm not sure how I feel about paying the 16-year old working the register more than her teacher makes.

Not the sort of thing we should base on feeling, I'd wager.

kizer permanente Senior Member
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Sat, Apr 18, 2020 2:17 PM

1115 new cases 

SportsAndLady Senior Member
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Sat, Apr 18, 2020 3:43 PM
posted by O-Trap

Not the sort of thing we should base on feeling, I'd wager.

This. 

gut Senior Member
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Sat, Apr 18, 2020 4:23 PM
posted by queencitybuckeye

In the short term, they're worth more than many professionals.

That's kind of like calling doctors and nurses "heroes" because they show up for work to do their job.

With 20M people filing unemployment, the guy bagging your groceries is HIGHLY replaceable.

Rotinaj Senior Member
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Sat, Apr 18, 2020 4:37 PM
posted by gut

That's kind of like calling doctors and nurses "heroes" because they show up for work to do their job.

With 20M people filing unemployment, the guy bagging your groceries is HIGHLY replaceable.

Why would someone choose $12 an hour to work in this when they can make double on unemployment?

Ironman92 Administrator
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Sat, Apr 18, 2020 4:40 PM

Over 1100 today

gut Senior Member
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Sat, Apr 18, 2020 4:48 PM
posted by Rotinaj

Why would someone choose $12 an hour to work in this when they can make double on unemployment?

I don't disagree with that.  I haven't read all the details on the $600, but I thought it was intended to make people "whole" who were out of work because of the coronavirus.  Unemployment is typically capped at between $300-$500 a week, depending on your state.  The $600 was because a lot of people finding themselves without a paycheck were making $1000-$2000 a week or more. 

So I'm not sure the grocery bagger is eligible for the $600.  Otherwise, I agree what would be the incentive to go to work for $500 per week?  The other side of that coin is if you voluntarily quit, you've typically not been eligible for anything.

Seeing the huge lines for food banks, I'm guessing grocery stores have received hundreds, if not thousands, of applications.

sportchampps Senior Member
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Sat, Apr 18, 2020 6:01 PM
posted by gut

I don't disagree with that.  I haven't read all the details on the $600, but I thought it was intended to make people "whole" who were out of work because of the coronavirus.  Unemployment is typically capped at between $300-$500 a week, depending on your state.  The $600 was because a lot of people finding themselves without a paycheck were making $1000-$2000 a week or more. 

So I'm not sure the grocery bagger is eligible for the $600.  Otherwise, I agree what would be the incentive to go to work for $500 per week?  The other side of that coin is if you voluntarily quit, you've typically not been eligible for anything.

Seeing the huge lines for food banks, I'm guessing grocery stores have received hundreds, if not thousands, of applications.

As long as a worker makes around $250 a week they get what they would normally qualify for plus the $600. It’s fine in the short term but it can’t be a long term deal because it takes away the incentive for a lot of people to take jobs like grocery stores vs staying home.

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Sat, Apr 18, 2020 6:12 PM

I love how the majority complain about Florida beaches being open (super low chance of getting it) and fail to mention that NY subways are still running (bigger Petri dishes then cruises).

gut Senior Member
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Sat, Apr 18, 2020 6:27 PM
posted by iclfan2

I love how the majority complain about Florida beaches being open (super low chance of getting it) and fail to mention that NY subways are still running (bigger Petri dishes then cruises).

Bro-science says sunlight is a great disinfectant.  That said, I haven't been able to figure out why what happened in NY didn't happen in SF, or LA.  Maybe there is something [hopefully] to warmer weather and sunshine.

There's also a number of studies out indicating 10%, 15% maybe even 30% of the population has already had this.  Other interesting numbers is over 5% of the NYPD have tested positive, and about 2.25% of Chicago PD.  So to claim at least 5-10% of the population has had this is a pretty reasonable assumption.

Al Bundy Senior Member
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Sat, Apr 18, 2020 8:21 PM
posted by O-Trap

Not the sort of thing we should base on feeling, I'd wager.

Probably not, but all of these give away programs are based upon feelings.

ernest_t_bass 12th Son of the Lama
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Sat, Apr 18, 2020 8:32 PM
posted by gut

That said, I haven't been able to figure out why what happened in NY didn't happen in SF, or LA. 

Wasn't Cali more proactive than NY?

gut Senior Member
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Sat, Apr 18, 2020 8:48 PM
posted by ernest_t_bass

Wasn't Cali more proactive than NY?

Yes, but we're talking only several days ahead.  I'm not sure we can really explain why NY has the highest density of cases in the world.  Chicago is probably a better comparison, and most of the big cities with major international airports seem to have similar issues (not counting NY/NJ, obviously).

I was thinking SF had a ton of traffic coming from China before any lockdown.  Hard to explain with international travel alone - why wouldn't Boston or Miami, or especially Chicago with 2 major airports, be like NY if the vector was Italy/Europe?

O-Trap Chief Shenanigans Officer
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Sat, Apr 18, 2020 9:52 PM
posted by Al Bundy

Probably not, but all of these give away programs are based upon feelings.


justincredible Honorable Admin
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Sat, Apr 18, 2020 10:22 PM

 

Spock Senior Member
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Sat, Apr 18, 2020 11:00 PM

Funny how that Chinese wet market where they say this started is up and running but the Wuhan lab is on total lock down.

BR1986FB Senior Member
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Sat, Apr 18, 2020 11:20 PM
posted by Spock

Funny how that Chinese wet market where they say this started is up and running but the Wuhan lab is on total lock down.

Had heard that South Koreans have been getting re-infected?

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