What's outraging you today?

I was up until 3:30am finishing reports, and I was back to work less than seven hours later.

I like what I do, but I could stand to do a little less of it some days.

I went to a great burger joint in Birmingham for lunch today.  I am outraged that if I eat a cheeseburger and onion rings for lunch, I automatically feel like crap all afternoon,  That's just not right.  

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) – The NYPD is warning police officers about a possible threat from the MS-13 gang, particularly when they are off-duty.

CBS2’s Dick Brennan reports that in a bulletin the NYPD put out this alert: “Members of MS-13 are looking to ‘hit’ NYPD police officers, specifically in the Brentwood/Central Islip area as well as possibly Patchogue.”

The border should be shut down immediately, until walls are built and we control the flow of the illegals, period.

posted by QuakerOats

 

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) – The NYPD is warning police officers about a possible threat from the MS-13 gang, particularly when they are off-duty.

CBS2’s Dick Brennan reports that in a bulletin the NYPD put out this alert: “Members of MS-13 are looking to ‘hit’ NYPD police officers, specifically in the Brentwood/Central Islip area as well as possibly Patchogue.”

 

 

 

 

 

The border should be shut down immediately, until walls are built and we control the flow of the illegals, period.

If we can shut down the border, why do we need walls?

posted by queencitybuckeye

If we can shut down the border, why do we need walls?

Even disregarding the border, I have a problem that cities can just disregard federal law in regards to sanctuary cities, which let criminals back out onto the street before ICE can deport them. Yet when the government tried to stop funding these cities some activist judge stopped it. 

Our country is so fucked up that you go rot in jail on dumbass drug charges but you see repeat violent offenders walking free and then end up killing someone.

posted by iclfan2

Our country is so fucked up that you go rot in jail on dumbass drug charges but you see repeat violent offenders walking free and then end up killing someone.

I agree with that. Some of the sentencing is fucked up. 

posted by queencitybuckeye

If we can shut down the border, why do we need walls?

Because throwing a lot of money at vanity projects is the presidential way!

posted by QuakerOats

 

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) – The NYPD is warning police officers about a possible threat from the MS-13 gang, particularly when they are off-duty.

CBS2’s Dick Brennan reports that in a bulletin the NYPD put out this alert: “Members of MS-13 are looking to ‘hit’ NYPD police officers, specifically in the Brentwood/Central Islip area as well as possibly Patchogue.”

 

 

 

 

 

The border should be shut down immediately, until walls are built and we control the flow of the illegals, period.

So I take it you'd be cancelling all international flights as well?

posted by QuakerOats

 

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) – The NYPD is warning police officers about a possible threat from the MS-13 gang, particularly when they are off-duty.

CBS2’s Dick Brennan reports that in a bulletin the NYPD put out this alert: “Members of MS-13 are looking to ‘hit’ NYPD police officers, specifically in the Brentwood/Central Islip area as well as possibly Patchogue.”

 

 

 

 

 

The border should be shut down immediately, until walls are built and we control the flow of the illegals, period.

You do realize that MS-13 is an American gang right? 

posted by geeblock

You do realize that MS-13 is an American gang right? 

It was started in the US...by illegals from El Salvadore. Most of it's members to this day are illegals from El Salvadore and Central America.

So, while technically it was started in LA, calling it an "American gang" is purposefully misleading since the majority of the members are not US Citizens.

posted by jmog

It was started in the US...by illegals from El Salvadore. Most of it's members to this day are illegals from El Salvadore and Central America.

So, while technically it was started in LA, calling it an "American gang" is purposefully misleading since the majority of the members are not US Citizens.

you have no way to calculate the citizenship numbers of the MS13 gang. either way closing the border will make zero difference on this gang as it started in the US and has members all over the country who were born here and are citizens of the US.  It is a gang that was started in the US and is an american gang however you want to spin it.

posted by geeblock

you have no way to calculate the citizenship numbers of the MS13 gang. either way closing the border will make zero difference on this gang as it started in the US and has members all over the country who were born here and are citizens of the US.  It is a gang that was started in the US and is an american gang however you want to spin it.

I hope you are kidding. A gang of illegals is an American gang? Lay off the MSNBC geeblock. 

posted by jmog

I hope you are kidding. A gang of illegals is an American gang? Lay off the MSNBC geeblock. 

In 2018, the gang accounted for less than 1 percent (10,000) of total gang members in the United States (1.4 million), and a similar share of gang murders. The gang is a core component to Republican Party messaging on immigration policy in the United States. The Trump administration and Republican politicians have argued that hardline immigration policies are necessary to combat MS-13, and have for example justified the Trump administration's implementation of a family separation policy to deal with MS-13. There is no evidence that weak immigration enforcement or sanctuary city policies contribute to MS-13 activity. Republican politicians, President Trump in particular, have falsely accused Democratic politicians of supporting MS-13.

that is straight from wikipedia

posted by geeblock

In 2018, the gang accounted for less than 1 percent (10,000) of total gang members in the United States (1.4 million), and a similar share of gang murders. The gang is a core component to Republican Party messaging on immigration policy in the United States. The Trump administration and Republican politicians have argued that hardline immigration policies are necessary to combat MS-13, and have for example justified the Trump administration's implementation of a family separation policy to deal with MS-13. There is no evidence that weak immigration enforcement or sanctuary city policies contribute to MS-13 activity. Republican politicians, President Trump in particular, have falsely accused Democratic politicians of supporting MS-13.

 

 

that is straight from wikipedia

Also from Wikipedia (the first sentence of it, you conveniently left it out) "Mara Salvatrucha, popularly known as MS-13, is an international criminal gang that originated in Los Angeles, California, in the 1970s and 1980s. The gang later spread to many parts of the continental United States, Canada, Mexico, and Central America, and is active in urban, suburban, and rural areas. Most members are Central American"

I even agree the right uses it as a tool, but get outta here with your US citizen claim

posted by geeblock

In 2018, the gang accounted for less than 1 percent (10,000) of total gang members in the United States (1.4 million), and a similar share of gang murders. The gang is a core component to Republican Party messaging on immigration policy in the United States. The Trump administration and Republican politicians have argued that hardline immigration policies are necessary to combat MS-13, and have for example justified the Trump administration's implementation of a family separation policy to deal with MS-13. There is no evidence that weak immigration enforcement or sanctuary city policies contribute to MS-13 activity. Republican politicians, President Trump in particular, have falsely accused Democratic politicians of supporting MS-13.

 

 

that is straight from wikipedia

Well if you can use wiki so can I. Wiki is the one that stated that most of the gang are illegals from Central America, namely El Salvadore.

So once again, I was right, they are illegals and your statement that I quoted here has ZERO to do with the fact that they are illegals and therefore NOT an "american gang". 

Major facepalm there geeblock, you go to wiki, conveniently don't copy/paste the first sentence of your copy/paste work because it is the sentence that directly states what I did and contradicts you. You move the goalposts to the Rs using them as a talking point (don't disagree here at all, but that wasn't the topic, you said they were an american gang).

posted by iclfan2

Also from Wikipedia (the first sentence of it, you conveniently left it out) "Mara Salvatrucha, popularly known as MS-13, is an international criminal gang that originated in Los Angeles, California, in the 1970s and 1980s. The gang later spread to many parts of the continental United States, Canada, Mexico, and Central America, and is active in urban, suburban, and rural areas. Most members are Central American"

I even agree the right uses it as a tool, but get outta here with your US citizen claim

my point is this gang as it says has been here since the 70's and 80's.  The children of these gang members are US citizens, and they have grown and spread all over the country.  A border wall will make no difference because they are already here. Im not saying they dont have a large membership of illegals, but they also have a large  membership at this point that also are US citizens.  Also most of the murders by MS13 are other MS13 and mexican gangs.  They arent a huge threat to those outside of the drug/cartel trade imo

posted by geeblock

my point is this gang as it says has been here since the 70's and 80's.  The children of these gang members are US citizens, and they have grown and spread all over the country.  A border wall will make no difference because they are already here. Im not saying they dont have a large membership of illegals, but they also have a large  membership at this point that also are US citizens. 

You use wiki to move the goalposts, then change your tune when we call you out on it. Interesting tactic for sure, but in reality your original statement, that they are an "american gang" is bull shit and you know it. That's just as much, or more, of a liberal talking point as when the Rs use them as a reason for the wall.

posted by jmog

You use wiki to move the goalposts, then change your tune when we call you out on it. Interesting tactic for sure, but in reality your original statement, that they are an "american gang" is bull shit and you know it.

Started in Los Angelos 

posted by geeblock

my point is this gang as it says has been here since the 70's and 80's.  The children of these gang members are US citizens, and they have grown and spread all over the country.  A border wall will make no difference because they are already here. Im not saying they dont have a large membership of illegals, but they also have a large  membership at this point that also are US citizens.  Also most of the murders by MS13 are other MS13 and mexican gangs.  They arent a huge threat to those outside of the drug/cartel trade imo

Also, above you stated that I had no idea what the makeup of the gang was...and then you come in this post and state that their children are in the gang and therefore the gang has a lot of US citizens in it. Do you not realize you just did exactly what you said I couldn't do?

posted by jmog

Also, above you stated that I had no idea what the makeup of the gang was...and then you come in this post and state that their children are in the gang and therefore the gang has a lot of US citizens in it. Do you not realize you just did exactly what you said I couldn't do?

i said it has both illegals and us citizens, i have no idea the percentages..