Impressed by the Trump administration part II

This is added richness to the theater of Hillery actually losing to a guy like Trump. 

...soooo, the memo is basically the FBI knowingly misleading the FISA court by using a political document paid for by the Clinton campaign to gain permission to spy on Trump. Have I got that correct or is there something else in this?

posted by Con_Alma

...soooo, the memo is basically the FBI knowingly misleading the FISA court by using a political document paid for by the Clinton campaign to gain permission to spy on Trump. Have I got that correct or is there something else in this?

Did they? 

My question is, and we won't know without the actual FISC Applications, is what evidence was used to keep the application going? Did they find more dirt and that was the reason the applications kept going? 

Also, did they use the FISC to try and verify or double check the info from the Dossier? They eventually deemed the Dossier not credible, but at what point and how did they determine that? 

We just don't know and won't unless the actual FISC applications are fully declassified. 

Remember, this is just one data point, one version, from one party, of what was going on. It is not the whole story. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Did they? 

Don't know, but as one of the few true non-partisans on the board, there is certainly enough "there there" to have an independent investigation.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Did they? 

Isn't that the concern.....did they?

posted by queencitybuckeye

Don't know, but as one of the few true non-partisans on the board, there is certainly enough "there there" to have an independent investigation.

 

posted by Con_Alma

Isn't that the concern.....did they?

Sure. But, I guess this goes to the bigger question as well, the whole FISA and FISC process. A judge did look at all the evidence and still gave the green light. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

 

posted by Con_Alma

Isn't that the concern.....did they?

Sure. But, I guess this goes to the bigger question as well, the whole FISA and FISC process. A judge did look at all the evidence and still gave the green light. 

 

To be fair, the judge was not given the information that the Dossier was bought and paid for by the DNC and the Clinton campaign. With that information he/she may have been able to see a bias slant in the Dossier to begin with.

They purposefully withheld the most important piece of information from the fisa judge in order to obtain the warrant.  

THAT IS A FUCKING CRIMINAL ACT --- FRAUD, OBSTRUCTION ......you name it. 

GET IN THE GAME!

....so the FBI knowingly misled the judge by virtue of ommitting information of Clinton camp funding a dossier in order to get a warrant.

I thought that's what I posted the first time.  Am I offbase with that?

posted by jmog

To be fair, the judge was not given the information that the Dossier was bought and paid for by the DNC and the Clinton campaign. With that information he/she may have been able to see a bias slant in the Dossier to begin with.

posted by QuakerOats

They purposefully withheld the most important piece of information from the fisa judge in order to obtain the warrant.  

THAT IS A FUCKING CRIMINAL ACT --- FRAUD, OBSTRUCTION ......you name it. 

GET IN THE GAME!

 

posted by Con_Alma

....so the FBI knowingly misled the judge by virtue of ommitting information of Clinton camp funding a dossier in order to get a warrant.

 

I thought that's what I posted the first time.  Am I offbase with that?

Are we sure? Again, we again do not have access to all the court documents. 

Maybe there was another reason to keep the FISC going? 

This why I think, if you go this route, release it all. Release the FISC applications, even redacted versions. If it as bad as they say, it would be shown in the applications and court documents. 

Absolutely ...................release it all.   Drain the swamp at long last. 

It's a pretty shitty look for the FBI, regardless.

Perhaps,. But, again, consider the source. The House Rs want to make the FBI look bad for political reasons. This is not a bipartisan document. The D's version was not released. It is only one source, one opinion of the source material. 

We need to see the source material to come to any actual conclusion. 

Oh, and by the way, two other stories today. The Nuclear Posture Review is being released now, and the stock market is down about 500 points today. 

Wow.  You are staring directly at corruption and fraud, and you can only parrot media talking points. 

posted by QuakerOats

Wow.  You are staring directly at corruption and fraud, and you can only parrot media talking points. 

 

 

Look man, this is just the House R's version of this and is only a few pages. Excuse me for taking that with a grain of salt. Just like you wouldn't trust a source from the Ds. I need to see more information and the actual text before I scream Oh My God, burn it all down like you are. 

Dow is down 670 points now btw. MAGA! 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

 

Dow is down 670 points now btw. MAGA! 

 

Worst week in two years. Change we can believe in. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Look man, this is just the House R's version of this and is only a few pages. Excuse me for taking that with a grain of salt. Just like you wouldn't trust a source from the Ds. I need to see more information and the actual text before I scream Oh My God, burn it all down like you are. 

Dow is down 670 points now btw. MAGA! 

 

A very healthy pullback; backfilling necessary given the run up.  BTW, I transferred to 80% cash yesterday afternoon, as I mentioned pulling marbles off the table last week.  Will jump back in when the dust settles next week. 

posted by MontyBrunswick

Worst week in two years. Change we can believe in. 

Atlanta Federal Reserve Forecasts 5.4% Growth In First Quarter Of 2018.

Reuters (2/1) reports that the Atlanta Federal Reserve said Thursday that “the US economy is setting a torrid pace in the first three months of 2018

Amgen Announces Plans For $300M US Manufacturing Plant, Credits Tax Reform.

The Wall Street Journal (2/1, Hufford, Subscription Publication) reports that Amgen Inc. announced on Thursday that it would invest an estimated $300 million to build a new manufacturing plant in the US, and credited the December passage of tax reform legislation for the move.

Dayton Ohio Region Registered Record $1B In Capital Investment Last Year.

Writing behind a paywall, The Dayton (OH) Business Journal (2/1, Bush, Subscription Publication) reports that the Dayton region recorded a record $1 billion in capital investment in 2017, while “companies also committed to create more than 2,000 new jobs,” and “average pay climbed approximately $10,000 since 2016.”

All on top of another good jobs report today, along with wages rising at the fastest pace in a decade.

And I am quite sure that everyone liked the extra bump in their paycheck today; thanks Don.

Change we can [really] believe in ...

posted by Con_Alma

...soooo, the memo is basically the FBI knowingly misleading the FISA court by using a political document paid for by the Clinton campaign to gain permission to spy on Trump. Have I got that correct or is there something else in this?

That's a pretty big deal - FINALLY some actual illegality in the whole Russian collusion thing.

Libs are, predictably, calling it a nothingburger.  And while it's nowhere near Watergate, everyone should be outraged by this.  We are dealing only with Carter Page here, but this is a smoking gun of abusing the intelligence apparatus to spy on political opponents. 

Abuse of power to target opposition is a recurring pattern in the Obama Administration.  It's unfortunate that Trump is such a loathsome individual or people would be a lot more upset about all this.

posted by gut

That's a pretty big deal - FINALLY some actual illegality in the whole Russian collusion thing.

Libs are, predictably, calling it a nothingburger.  And while it's nowhere near Watergate, everyone should be outraged by this.  We are dealing only with Carter Page here, but this is a smoking gun of abusing the intelligence apparatus to spy on political opponents. 

Abuse of power to target opposition is a recurring pattern in the Obama Administration.  It's unfortunate that Trump is such a loathsome individual or people would be a lot more upset about all this.

Understatement of the decade! 

IRS

DoJ

FBI

EPA

Dept of Interior 

OSHA

MSHA

and on and on ........  the assault on liberty has been immeasurable